Wize - Reinstatement

↩  Wize leaking dms is not a good look...
also as the dms clearly say, i was not motivated to object by your friends actions. the issue is just related to the incident.

even if this one reason for objection were invalid, -which it isn't - my others still stand, and i trust you even less now

↩  Wize you value my opinion so much you breached your promise of confidentiality in favor of trying to discredit me. i could not possibly object more and i hope other admins will reconsider their own votes instead of blindly vouching without even reading the reinstatement application and basing their vote off of name alone.

"[17:23:32] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] | [Freedom 01] WBoson > [Freedom 01] jwmphall: I'm not going to publish
anything to the forums to prevent drama, but between you and I"

https://pastebin.com/Zhw295CH

↩  Wize motion denied stop leaking dms

@"jwmphall"#95 Could I ask for specific instances where you’ve been displeased with Wize before this incident? I want to make sure your vote is in fact genuine and isn't the result of building work rejection. You don’t have to, it would just make things a lot easier. Thanks!

↩  RedEastWood if you need more proof of his untrustworthiness than the above then i recommend you revaluate your biases. you are an objective member of the staff and i hope you are treating this as such. but here you go;

other incidences are less egregious but still make me suspicious. when they first rejoined after his long period of absence, they began messaging me, likely recognizing me since i've played for a while. when asked, he did not disclose his identity, which i thought was strange. only much later in the conversation did he reveal himself as w1ze. this may sound like a small incident but this compiled with his self centered reinstatement look familiar to any long time player. my perception is that - like many serial trolls in the past - this player elevates his position as a suspended player to that of a sort of pariah. this player overstates his impact on the community similar to how panther, savnith, or scutix used to. i'm not implicating wboson as a troll or even a bad person; i just find this trait leads many admins to being suspended or worse.

right now tf needs admins who can retain players by interacting with them, which you know is true more than ever redeastwood. you know i was invited to build on wbosons server and i accepted, only to not be allowed to build and be ignored for half an hour - heck, you were there! do you really want to vouch for a guy who ignores players, is self centered, and doesn't deliver on promises as an admin at this point in time?

object for reasonings provided in this ( ↩  jwmphall ) paragraph

↩  jwmphall

WBoson stated that they would have a probationary period instead of a full reinstatement. I believe this statement was added when he initially created the application.

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↩  Wize I'm asking for a second chance to be done through a probationary period to prove people change.

Perhaps a middle ground can be found on the basis that provided WBoson does not live up to ideal admin standards, he be removed at the end of his probationary period. While your reasons are a valid cause or concern, I personally do not see them as being very substantial or significant, so much so that I would be compelled to change my vote.

Hopefully this resolution caters to your problem and gives WBoson an opportunity to prove his worth as an admin.

↩  RedEastWood you prove your worth as an admin by being a good and helpful op. there are applications for a reason.
and if you don't think that lying and breaching trust is cause enough for a vote change then i don't know what would make you change.

↩  Wize "Jwmphall, If you do not want those DM's to be considered, then do not consider them in your reasoning."

what does that mean? i didn't want the dms to be considered until you leaked them. now it doesn't really matter.

"leave the drama for an appropriate section." great way to undermine legitimate points and questions. no admins are fighting here and there is no drama

Feels very welcoming here.

There were multiple issues leading up to your suspension, including an executive vote-off with claims about you being dishonest about your activity as an executive, a supposed $600 investment in server advertising that could not be located, and you being very vocal about the ownership policy being a secret plot by Wilee and others to commit a coup on Seth. I would like to know what has changed and how you plan to address issues like these in the future.

Hold up this doesn't even follow the indef suspension policy right? Aren't you meant to make a post in general-discussion or something?

↩  Luke Correct, this will be locked until that has been completed appropriately.