Posts by fssp

How is Ryan going to shut down the server without the owner's (Shrimp's) permission? 😕

Really sad to see that people gave you shit for trying to market this server to a new audience when it's not an issue with marketing if somebody's having a bad time while they're online. I especially liked some of the ways that you improved this server's web presence. It's hard having to answer to a community that groans at the prospect of change, so I understand your decision

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↩  DragonSlayer2189 me being a dumbass read 9/8/2021 and thought oh, september 8th, wait but its august, that means it must have been last year. i am dumb.

You’re even dumber than you say if you can’t read the year “2021” and come to the conclusion that the punishment took place during this year and not the last year.

I do not understand why they should file the same appeal later in the year as if the merits of their punishment would strengthen or lessen during that time, as they wouldn’t. The punishment seems faulty and the universal rule is that if a moderator on a community has improperly punished you, the appeal for that punishment should be filed on the same day.

↩ @'Ryan' It makes no sense for a subsequent message to be construed as an “attempt to cover one’s own arse” if the message had been sent prior to any punishment having been exacted on the player, meaning that they clarified their jokes being just that—in jest—before you had decided to ban them from your community. By merit of the period when they had sent that message, it is not much of an excuse; they are simply making clear to an audience that knows as well as they do that what they had said was in jest.

Finally, you did not ban them for making dumb jokes on the topic of racism and other -isms, however you banned them for "discriminating against, harassing, or insulting a person based on their race, sexual preference, gender, or age" which is something that they are plainly not guilty of as there is no corresponding party that has been discriminated against in this case… from what I have seen, everybody that was present during their conversation understood that this player was joking about.

↩ @'Ryan' If you have yet to see anything to suggest that this was not broken then you have not read the transcripts posted in this chat... I skimmed through this thread to write my reply rather quickly, coming to the conclusion that the punishment was unjustified after seeing a screenshot of shdwo himself saying "let me be apparent that I'm joking" which makes rather clear that he is not "discriminating against, harassing, or insulting a person based on their race, sexual preference, gender, or age" because he has made it apparent that he was joking.

If what he said was a joke, and he stated in chat that it was a joke (proving that he is not pulling that card as an excuse in this thread for the purpose of evading his punishment) then the reason you provided in your initial punishment does not hold up. Who exactly would he be harassing based on their race, sexual preference, gender, or age?

There has been absolutely nothing posted here to suggest that this player's remarks were serious, and the way that this thread has played out is laughable. It really exposes why ban appeals on this server are a waste of time when they will no longer be read into and, in defense of Wild's disregard for them, much of what is said in these threads is not worth reading. Ashaz's post is perhaps the dumbest one in this thread (there is no way to defend executing a punishment if it had taken "a month for [Ivan] to be banned" because his behavior went unnoticed... that is a fault on behalf of those that are tasked with moderating that platform, not Ivan himself, and such a delayed punishment is indefensible). How can the line be drawn at the "execution" of a joke unless there is to be some consensus on what is or isn't properly executed, comedically speaking, on this server? As for their "defensive attitude," it is only correct for them to act defensively on a thread outlining the reasons why their punishment should be reversed.

↩  Shdwo Yes, I was banned after I sent that message and Shrimp was also banned from the Discord server at the same time. I chatted with Darth about it two days later (iirc they were a Discord Moderator at the time).

As I said in my appeal, it was a stupid thing to say but I don't think I should've been banned this long because of it.

I've been informed by a few administrators that after Wild banned me from this server's Discord community on February he created a thread which listed that punishment as "unappealable," which in my opinion sets a ridiculous precedent for barring certain users from this community simply because it would be easier to brush them aside than to hear an appeal on their behalf. Seeing as I did not violate Discord's terms of service by doing what I did, there is no reason to prevent me from issuing an appeal.

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fussy (fssp#4894) - Violations of both unappealable cat one offenses by posting illegal content on Discord and therefore violating their T&C's and by promoting hate speech platforms on our Discord not just breaking the discord T&C's but also bringing ATLAS's reputation into risk.

I have never posted illegal content on Discord by any stretch of the imagination nor have I violated Discord's terms of service. The messages I posted in #general-discussion were removed rather haphazardly while I was banned, but they contained nothing more than text and to claim that I posted "illegal content" on your Discord server has no truth to it whatsoever.

Wild also decided to mend his ban reason after the fact to include that I am somehow in violation of Discord's terms of service because I created a forum which has very few rules, geteso, and because of the things that people post on that forum ('guilty by association' fallacy).

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Upon a detailed review of the Discord Terms of Service, and by extension the Discord Community Guidelines which are required to be followed as part of following the discord TOS, we have identified that your historic advertising of the platform which you also chose to run and administrate in your own time in our view is highly likely to violate the following sections of the community guidelines, and as such your ban has been adjusted to mark you as being in violation of rule 1.A of the discord rules.

Section 1A primarily bars harassment, the creation of Discord servers for the purpose of hate speech, making threats of violence, and the evasion of punishments which are handed out by community officials, none of which I am guilty of. While it is true that I have advertised my forum in the past, I did so before that forum was "banned" from this server, and I have never linked to it since because that would be a violation of this server's rules.

Because the circumstances surrounding my ban from this server's Discord community do not seem to hold water, and several of Wild's posts flat-out contradict each other (I have never heard of an "unappealable" ban before I saw a thread that only exists in the admin lounge), I've taken the opportunity to write an appeal which explains what I did before I was banned.

1. Your Discord tag: fssp#2048
2. If known, who banned you? Wild.
3. Do you know approximately what time you were banned? I have the date as 02/07/2021, but I don't have the exact time that I was banned.
4. Why do you think you were banned? I replied to a video posted by Shrimp of an older man saying "big black ***** balls HD" with the following message: "Darkened ethnic tentacles in high definition." It was a stupid joke and in poor taste, but I don't think it was worth being banned for. I believe that it could've justified a warning or kick from the server, but both Shrimp and I were banned for this.
5. Explain why you think you should be unbanned, and promise to never do whatever you did again. I think the main reason I should be unbanned is because of the length that has passed since the punishment and due to why it was handed out. Though what I did was stupid, I couldn't have imagined that I would have been banned from the server for more than five months for replying to a video that I thought was funny. I promise not to joke about that kind of stuff again.

These kinds of documents are what discourage people from wanting to involve themselves from a rather small server which has grown to become self-important and procedural in how its staff deal with the simplest of tasks, per se, voting on one's application for admin on a Minecraft server. It does not need to be laid out for people that saying "neutral" means "this person cannot make a decision," because if an applicant cannot infer this from a plethora of incoming posts which consist of "vouch," "object," and "neutral," then they are obviously not fit for that position, no? Some parts of this policy are almost dictatorial in how administrators must create threads on a forum for a Minecraft server that is supposed to be a place of "total freedom," such as specifying the exact title and format of the thread or permitting for an applicant to "refute a point they believe to be false." What if the applicant wishes to expand on a point? There are several penalties to wording these policies as if they are the law when there are no lawyers present to ensure that your law is practical.

One thing I appreciated was that "neutral" posts which did not expand on their neutrality were to be deleted. In my opinion, posts that read "neutral" should be brushed away altogether. Writing "neutral" as you vote on an application is a waste of time, because if you do not write "vouch" or "object" it is clear to me that you are neutral.

This server and forum rest anywhere but on the right. You've just managed to irritate several people, irrespective of their ideology, with your countless remarks and then expect for them to forget what you have said. I wish you luck.

↩ @'Reperak' If this is a suggestion to get rid of grass blocks and actual debris from the general parameter of spawn, then that's something administrators have been doing for a very long time... it's something I used to fly around and do without any sort of restraint since I was a super admin.

What your thread suggests goes beyond that, though.

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Some things I consider garbage include:
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Giant pixel arts that take up a ridiculous portion of spawn (you know who you are)

So, what are you suggesting? Do you believe that large pixel arts are garbage, or are you sincerely creating a suggestion that administrators do something which they have been doing for a long time now?

The purpose of spawn on this server is to act as a starting place for players. Because this server has always had a centralized spawn point at one time or another, new players are located around the spawn and will begin building around this location which is why you can't expect for this area to be clear of "random blocks" or "abandoned" constructions. If somebody builds something, leaves the server, and an administrator removes their partially-built work while they are gone because it has been deemed "abandoned" just for that player to come back and find their work gone, this server will find a hard time retaining new players.

For as long as I have played on this server, there has been pixel art on its maps and around the spawnpoint. Having been on this server earlier today, the only person who seemed annoyed was you, but I can go ahead and speculate by saying that you were irritating a bunch of other people with the nasty remarks you made on Discord.

↩  heliumpluto Whether or not you can "morally and philosophically" agree with administrators on this server has never played into why you have been banned numerous times in the past by several admins, myself included. If you are claiming that multiple admins singled you out because you like gay people even though many admins here are also open about being gay then you are making a bold claim which is not only ridiculous but accuses several former staff on this server without a shred of evidence to prove it. It doesn't help that you have a record of breaking the rules and telling your own version of the truth in order to avoid the consequences of your actions, as you have lied to staff in the past.

↩ @'Reperak' I don't know how it comes as a surprise to you that administrators should be held to a higher standard than regular players. The kind of conduct displayed in my last reply to your thread would not be appropriate for an admin on any community. As for your comment about me, please notice how I'm no longer an admin.

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I've been made aware that normal people are not wanted in the TF staff, which is unbelievable but that's how it is.

What makes a "normal person"? Average players should not comprise a staff team on this server... that's why applicants are expected to have some experience with this game and a track record of helping out other players.

I don't think you should consider applying for administrator until you can improve your temperament around players.

[CHAT] [Discord] lil turd: prepare for the worst takes ever  
[CHAT] [Discord] lil turd: fssp doesn't listen to proper reasoning  
[CHAT] [Discord] lil turd: I actually argue with people who can argue back  
[CHAT] [Discord] lil turd: If you need proof, check the forums  
[CHAT] [Discord] lil turd: You can't dismiss what I say as irrelevant  

[CHAT] [Discord] lil turd: For the record- there's no reason to be kind to someone who is extremely rude to you  
[CHAT] [Discord] lil turd: I made a tiny little comment  
[CHAT] [Discord] lil turd: One message  

(Even though it's clear that you made more than "a tiny little comment" and sent several messages.)

[CHAT] [Discord] lil turd: Like I mentioned earlier- the reason I was a dick to that person is because they were a dick to me  
[CHAT] [Discord] lil turd: my natural response is to ignore asses  

It's clear that this is not your first time butting heads with other players as evidenced by the above posts in which you defend yourself being rude if the other player is also rude. Even though that kind of behavior is common among administrators, it shouldn't be welcomed with open arms among applicants because it's never been seen as desirable. You should improve how you behave when you've been forced to alter your ego.

I don't appreciate how this player still doesn't seem to understand why they were originally banned from the server by @"icksp"#111 and myself over one year ago due to being a troll and an overall nuisance when online. Of course, your bedside manner has improved, however the fact that you dispute the reason why you were banned in the first place shows that you have not learned from your mistakes and shouldn't become an administrator.

You also continued to play on the server using another account before posting your ban appeal, tried to lie about it, and then claimed that you weren't doing anything wrong (so why would you lie?) which aren't the qualities I would like to see in an administrator.

I'd like to see you change. When I joined the server just recently, you reminded me of all this by mentioning your old username ("cloudbeam") for no apparent reason other than to dredge up bad memories of yourself and then went on to claim that we had a "special relationship" with one another.

I was completely unaware that they made a ban appeal, so that thread kind of went under my nose without a long-ass reply on my behalf, so here's a little more context as to the history of this player.

Right now, I'm going to object... but I haven't really been on the server often enough to see what they've done to help other players (if anything) that might warrant super admin. Maybe somebody can prove me wrong.

↩  DragonSlayer2189 So, for how long have you been on the server? I didn't contribute to build projects when I first became a master-builder and RoboEx (robotexplorer) has been a member of this community for a long time...

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My take on this is that, if a person has left the server, and doesn't plan to help out with build projects or anything, why should they still be on the list.

Do you believe that the position (more like title) of master-builder should exist to maintain a team of players that help out with build projects on a server that is already dwindling in activity, or to signify those players' achievements as skilled builders by giving them privileges? As for your take, I don't think that such an obligation on a server like this without any form of salary sounds attractive at all, however I do think that a rank which rewards players for having built on the server gives new players an incentive to do the same thing.

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If you wish to argue about this, I would love to see a suggestion post made, i don't think it has ever been formally stated whether MB was just a sign of recognition or if it means you are a part of a team who works on build projects. So, i would like to see that, at some point, formally established

What's the point of making another thread if the same points that have been made in this thread are just going to be reiterated by the same people? You're the creative designer, here's my reply, and you may consider this to be my "suggestion post."

↩  erin Removing somebody's rank is a punishment if they shouldn't have to prove their activity as a master-builder to begin with. I rarely build on the server because of how unstable it has been in the past, which has fortunately improved, and because of longstanding issues with WorldEdit on this server. It doesn't mean I've stopped building; I have an entire server dedicated to that. "Master-builder" should mean "proven builder of this community."

This is an underthought and unprofessional way of punishing the master-builders who applied for a rank with a different purpose than it now seems to hold for not participating in the group projects that are being encouraged of this server's architects today. Then again, this server has a history of retroactively punishing its players and admins for new standards that have been rushed in. If the purpose of a rank changes, those who applied for that rank prior to it being revised should not be booted off the team for no other reason than not having met the new standard. You are moving the goalposts.

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