What you're on about is storing information while that information is still present. Discord removes messages off of their servers when its deleted (including images, however images are cached in the user's machine for easy loading), if it still exists then its kept. That's why they're able to backup data, because it still exists.
In your case, the server was deleted, meaning the messages and channel were removed from their databases.
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I'd advise you both to look through their privacy policy, which explains exactly what they do and don't store.
Here's a message a user received once trying to report a deleted message. It was a while back, however it still stands.
↩ @'Ryan'
QuoteThe issue with the service is they actively refuse to put any effort into providing a way to either back the data up ourselves, or restore it for us
Discord doesn't store messages / server info as that would be against their own platform's rules and would breach their user's privacy. I personally don't want every message I've sent in a server, stored elsewhere.. They can't restore what they don't have.
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I know you hold a grudge, but if you value your privacy then you'd respect the route that they've taken.
Quote↩ videogamesm12 This is still a third party service, which is exactly what bit us in the ass in the case of the Discord server.
No, what bit you in the ass in the case of the discord server, wasn't the fact that you were relying on a third-party service. It was the fact that someone with ill-intent had access to the token, that's your faults, not the services.
I'd like to re-iterate the fact that it could be coded into Kero (if elmon is willing), which would decrease any concerns you have. However the bot is very secure and I've used it on many servers myself.
Quoteuseless because they have to be kept up to date as we tweak channels and have to be stored somewhere
https://xenon.bot/ - Includes timed backups and the ability to transfer messages.
On that note, it would be just as easy for elmon to code something into Kero that does the exact same thing.
↩ heliumpluto It's alright, just using those terms kind of twists this thread even further. I completely understand why you'd think so, or why you'd use those terms originally. However it is not appropriate to label me as such when I have made it completely evident that I am not a racist, homophobe, transphobe or anything of the sort.
↩ man I'm not twisting anyone's words? In fact I linked their exact words in the two replies I made.
QuoteThe first section you’ve quoted is them saying they don’t tolerate racism
They objected on my appeal with the reason "I don't tolerate racism"? How is that not calling me a racist...
QuoteThe second section you’ve quoted is them talking to Mosley, not you. Therefore nowhere are they indirectly or directly accusing you of being a racist.
Second of all, yes they were talking to irix - however they were pointing out the fact that they were disappointed that irix
still 'can't point out acts of harassment / hate' in relation to my appeal. Therefor they were saying that I was involved in the act of harassment / hate speech.
Quoteheliumpluto I absolutely do not tolerate delinquency, racism and hate speech
heliumpluto that you are still not able to identify and point out clear acts of harassment and hate
This is indirectly calling me a racist / similar of the sorts.
↩ @'Panther' As far as I'm aware, the only time I've ever said something similar to what's been labelled in this thread is when I said this:
https://cdn.upload.systems/uploads/RcoNSsf6.png
This was pulled up not so long ago in the server chat by an active user. I'll re-clarify here, I wasn't talking about race, I was on about the colour of my rank on TF (op) - and that was blatantly obvious within the conversations.
Quote@"heliumpluto"#365 I absolutely do not tolerate delinquency, racism and hate speech
@"heliumpluto"#365 that you are still not able to identify and point out clear acts of harassment and hate
Honestly you're making this sound way worse than it actually is. This was in no way an act of harassment against any particular individuals, nor was there delinquency, racism or hate speech involved. Don't falsely accuse me of being a racist, thanks!
Quote↩ @'Ryan' The fact I have to scroll off my screen to see it was part of my point
You're replying to a post that literally explains that part of your point.
QuoteBut doesn't detract from the point of "It's breaking the rules if it's a joke or not..."
However, the rule states I have to be discriminating against, harassing or insulting an individual due to their race / religion etc. In any other scenario where "I hate blacks" was said out of the blue, this would 100% fall under this rule. This isn't the case for my ban though, there was context, and I made it clear I wasn't serious about it / there was no meaning behind it.
I'm not a racist, and I would never go out of my way to discriminate against someone with a different race / religion / sexual preference to me. I'm not quite sure what people don't get here, if there was no intent to discriminate... then this rule isn't applicable.
Quote↩ @'Ryan' I think it's pretty fucking obvious he's being racist and transphobic... He may then 1-2 mins later have gone "Oh it's a joke" but that doesn't make it right, or frankly cut it for me.
It was less than a minute, and you can see that from the timestamps on the discord messages. Chat was active at that time, so obviously it's gonna be lower down than I would've liked it to be due to the popular inflow of discord messages.
QuoteIf you threatened to rob a bank or murder someone and then when you hear someone going "You know you can't do that, it's illegal" you go "Oh but I'm just joking" it doesn't generally tend to fly.
You what? That's a horrible comparison to make and relates nothing to the evidence at hand.
↩ Luke The joke made was nothing like the kinda jokes smartnt made. I've already explained that.
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- E.g. I didn't say "I hate blacks" out of nowhere and then go "that was a joke"
This was in response to someone (also) jokingly calling me a white supremacist.It went more like "haha you're a white supremacist" - "haha yes! I hate blacks" in an obvious joking tone. "let me make it apparent that that was a joke" to clarify afterwards.
Another example could be "you're an anti-kanst kinda guy" - "yes! I hate kanst". I didn't just blatantly blurt out the statement with absolutely no context whatsoever
QuoteIf you truly thought you shouldn't have done it then you wouldn't immediately try and reverse then ban that was put upon you?
I shouldn't have made the joke at the time as some people would take it the wrong way (which is exactly what's happening now) but I shouldn't have been banned for it, there was no actual meaning behind it.. and it was explained as a joke before and very shortly after.. especially since I wasn't approached before the ban to explain my case. I can count many occasions as to where people have said some racist shit out of context and they're still admin to this day. Talk about a bias
↩ Luke I'm not saying that it's reasonable justification in any case.
Quote@"Luke"#19 when smartnt got ousted for this exact thing
Again, comparing this case to smartnt's is very unfair. smartnt consisted of rogue admins/ops who couldn't care less for people on the server. I've already stated that there was no ill-intent upon saying this, the joke was in context (I admit, taking it out of context makes it look incredibly bad - but the fact that the context is there, and the joke was made in context makes it completely different.)
This isn't a case of "oh haha guys, it was a joke my bad!" - This is a case of "i said this thing in context, as a joke, with no ill-intent, and then told everyone it was a joke less than a minute after"
It went more like "haha you're a white supremacist" - "haha yes! I hate blacks" in an obvious joking tone. "let me make it apparent that that was a joke" to clarify afterwards.
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Let me also make it apparent that I'm not bashing on anyone in this thread, and I do take responsibility for my actions to a certain degree. I admit that the joke was in poor taste and looks very bad out of context, should I have made it? no. However, the original purpose of the joke was lost by people twisting my words to make it look worse than it actually is. The fact that i've clarified on multiple occasions that there was no ill-intent in my original joke, and there was no actual meaning behind it - and for those of you that know me well, you know that i'm not racist or derogatory towards any kind of religion/race etc. makes it blindly obvious that this was nothing more than a very bad joke.
And the context: