Posts by wild1145

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↩  Ivan Did you just pull this from somewhere in the depths of your ass? This has not been mentioned in any of the aforementioned appeals I have made previously.

Posting nsfw content in non nsfw channels are a violation of the discord community guidelines and following them is a requirement of the tos. It's not come up before probably because people are human and forget this shit.

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↩  Ivan If I am being “disruptive”, as you call it, then don’t fucking reply to my comments and leave them alone? 99.9% of my comments are responses on the threads that tie in with the topic that is being discussed. I’m not going to take ownership over multiple strikes that make absolutely positively zero sense whatsoever. The ban was for posting pornography; not being a smartass.

I don't generally reply to your spam or thread de railing. I moderate it and remove it. You actively disrupted multiple threads and took them off topic and violated the community guidelines and forum posting guidelines. You might not agree with them but frankly that supports my point that you're nothing but a disruption to the community.

I object.

Strictly speaking the ban was for violating the discord tos which is indef with no appeal to start with.

Secondly the individuals behaviour recently leads me to believe they haven't changed, they continue to be disruptive towards the community on the forums which is why they've had so many warnings and continue not to take ownership over their own fuck ups.

I have no objections this time.

I'm at this point going to lock the thread, the user is Cat 0 banned, this new account is now also indef banned due to it being an alt account of a banned player.

For future reference banappeals@totalfreedom.me is the e-mail address for appeals where the user cannot access the forums, though again given this is a Category 0 ban, it's not one I will allow appeals for anyway.

↩  Luke For clarity, the part of the banning guidance (Formally conduct policy is)

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Any action / content (of any sort) which brings the reputation of ATLAS Media Group Ltd or its projects (Which include TotalFreedom) into disrepute.

The reason was around the ongoing advertisement and promotion in game and on here around the community he runs which encourages and facilitates illegal topics, and has targeted this community on more than one occasion.

I also believe as an extension of this violations under UK Law (The Computer Misuse Act) were committed, which was the Cat 0.A aspect to the ban.

Ultimately the user has been directly and indirectly disruptive to the community, enabled targeted attacks against this community and as such they were removed from the community. The lack of an in-game ban was down to my lazyness rather than anything else.

You were indefinitely suspended from the forums, the 10 year thing is a issue where Flarum can't actually indef ban due to bad development approaches.

As for the reason, I'm fairly sure you ended up getting indef banned under what was previously Category 0.C and potentially Cat 0.A.

Unfortunately Flarum doesn't have the ability to list reasons, and I agree your "Final" post probably wasn't what triggered the ban. I believe you were originally intended to be globally Cat 0.C banned, but I never got around to indef banning you in game for that reason, which is an oversight on my part more than anything else.

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↩  lyicx im not sure how we’d do phone calls tho. thats a struggle

I've got a couple of ideas on how to do that, it's something I've been playing around with for actual legitimate reasons outside of TF but will have a look and see if it's viable.

The rapidly deteriorating quality of the synapse software was part of the reason I ended up not replacing my razer keyboard when the 3rd model over 4 years died with what appeared to be the same fault.

I can't help answer the question but I'd just be wary that anything you get working will probably magically get lost in a software update if the hardware doesn't crap it's pants first.

↩  heliumpluto You don't have to... That's the point of this rule change.

If we believe (With good reason) you're under 13, you'll simply have your account indef banned, and that'll be the end of it. As has been pointed out other servers don't ask for ID, so we won't either. We will simply ban the account, and they'll have to create a new Discord account when they turn 13 if they want to re-join the community.

↩  videogamesm12 The issue is syncing things like sanctions and all that. There was another suggestion for this a while back that I think was ultimately denied because it just wasn't practical.

The reality is people are more likely to join another discord server than sign up for and use a dedicated tool that requires separate creds. I struggle to see how having an alternative to discord will be meaningful to more than about 10 people...

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↩ @'dillon ' Jesus Christ stop corporatising everything it’s literally a discord server lol

I'm not. I'm doing the same thing every other Discord server does, ban people that say they're under 13. Explain to me how that's corporatising?

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↩ @'dillon ' As I said in my previous post, you’re pushing people away from the server, it’s dead as it is

My hands are tied, we tried having exceptions to the rule, people didn't like it, now we remove those exceptions to make the rules simpler and clearer people don't like it either.

As I said in game, I'm fucked if I do this, I'm fucked if I don't.

↩  RedEastWood Because you confessed to violating the TOS, that's enough to satisfy the burden of proof as far as I'm concerned. You now need to prove you clearly stating you violated the TOS was in fact a joke and satisfy the Discord Manager of that because that's the only way now you'll get unbanned.

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↩  RedEastWood A simple check of when my account was made is sufficient enough to know that I did not make this account when I was 13.

As I said in the thread, and in Discord prior to you being banned, if you go "Yes, my account was created underage, you should ban me" we will...

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↩  RedEastWood What more do you want to unban me? Do you seriously want me to make an entirely new account just to access the TF forums? This is absurd.

I want you to convince @"simplynick"#11 it was a joke.

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↩  RedEastWood It is a joke because it is obviously not true, it is sarcasm. I am not going to debate whether or not it was a joke, but I don’t see merit in you claiming that I said that fully seriously - but say you did, why am I now forced to make an entirely new account rather than just show you this account wasn’t made before I was 13?

Wonderful, if only we all had been in on the joke, would have been so much more amusing.

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↩  RedEastWood What I actually did

That’s it. That’s what I did. I am now indefinitely banned, and have to make a new Discord account.

Not quite everything though was it, you had said this two times that I'd seen, and made it quite clear on both occasions you had done so. As I said in my original thread, we have removed the exception for accounts being unbanned when the user becomes 13 because the community didn't like the fact we wanted to prove they were 13 or older in a meaningful way. There was nothing to indicate it was a joke, but everything to suggest you were doing this knowing fully well I'd have to ban you, or look like I was only selectively enforcing the rules.

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↩  RedEastWood He obviously knew I was joking

I didn't, I took you at your word on both the occasions you posted it in chat:

I had no reason to doubt that was true, and frankly I expected it to be true and that you were waiting for me to either ban you and you could create this thread, or for me to ignore it both times and for you to claim I was biased in my bans. I banned you because you stated (Twice) you violated the Discord TOS, which is an indef bannable offence.

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↩  RedEastWood Ryan did not at all make it clear on his original post that those who joke about their Discord being made prior to their 13th birthday will be banned

While it was not explicitly clear (And I acknowledged that) we did make clear that we would be removing any exceptions to failing to follow the Discord TOS. I added additional clarity in response to later questions that came up, but the change in our policy was simple, we removed this line from our Discord rules under the Section 2 non-indef bans:

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Any users who are not currently eligible to be an active member of the Discord community as a result of the Discord Terms & Conditions. The ban may be revoked when the member is eligible to once again be part of the community.

↩  RedEastWood I am quite busy around this time, so upon new rules being added, I only read the main post about them - surely that’s all I need to read right? Clearly not, Ryan was not competent enough to put this amendment in the original thread, but rather in response to Tizz 15 posts down.

You did only need to read the original post, I clearly stated we were removing the exception to the Section 1 Indef Ban Offence for Discord TOS, and that's what I've done.

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↩  RedEastWood After my ban, Ryan edited his original post to add this crucial information in. He did this after I was banned, almost as if he knew I would attack this point.

Actually I did not. I edited the post to remove the ability to verify your age, because the in game community before your ban and after your ban were unhappy that we would want to properly verify someone's age in a meaningful way, and felt it too "Corporate". The demand was to do the same thing every other server does, which is to simply ban the account for violating the T&C's.

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↩  RedEastWood You blew this out of scale when you banned me for making a joke.

You again claim to have made this as a joke, it was not funny, had no punchline, and was not clearly a joke. As has been made clear on a lot of other threads, claiming it's a "Joke" to get our of a sanction, doesn't cut it. You as a senior admin should have known better of all people.

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↩  RedEastWood when the information you were citing wasn’t even on the official post, but rather 15 replies down.

No, additional clarity was 15 posts down, it did not in reality change the original post / scope of the original announcement.

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↩  RedEastWood Discord freezes underage accounts. It unfreezes them when you turn 13. You should research before you make rules like this. This action by discord quite clearly shows you that it is okay to have an account made before 13.

I've yet to see this in practice first hand, I have however seen a number of communities get shut down for allowing those under 13 in the Discord, and if you'd bothered to have taken the time to read the thread or have a sensible conversation before jumping in as a martyr. My concern is protecting the Discord community, and unfortunately we're bound by their TOS which we have to follow, and both Nick's and my own role here is to protect it, so we will air on the side of caution.

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↩  RedEastWood I have no definitive idea of how my unban appeal will look like. Ryan has told me that I will need to create a whole separate account for this Discord server. All of this because of a joke I made, that wasn’t even explicitly warned against in Ryan’s original post.

If you can convince @"simplynick"#11 it was a joke and that you don't violate the Discord TOS, it's all good. Right now you've been banned for violating the Discord TOS.

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↩  RedEastWood e ignored everyone’s opinion on this thread, even expressing how grateful he is that he didn’t have to see the thread.

I have had that topic on mute for months, the thread was moved because Ivan, one of the threads original posters from when two threads that were identical were merged, decided to go on an off-topic rampage de-railing the thread. I thought the discussion was valuable up until that point, but once it went to off-topic, I stopped reading it as I do with nearly every thread in off topic once it devolves into drama / nonsense.

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↩  RedEastWood I am not interested in arguing with you Ryan. I am making this post for the community to see what has become of this server, where a staff member who has been part of this community for half a decade and has contributed relentlessly gets banned for a joke. I am sure that Nick will chime in here with his authoritarian stance too, I am uninterested in arguing with you either; for the sole reason that many players on this server have expressed grievances to you in a previous thread which you both ignored

I'm not arguing, I'm calling your points out where you have mislead the community. I've already told you that you can appeal if you genuinely believe it's a joke and can convince Nick of such, but I didn't see it as a joke, and I think you make a mockery out of the community as a senior admin thinking you can bypass a valid sanction by going "Lol jokes"

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↩ @'FT ' their continued use of Discord after turning 13 implies their consent to the terms, which is valid from a legal standpoint. punishing redeastwood or video or anyone who created their account before 13 and who are now above 13 is obviously just out of spite. you can be better than this.

I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not willing to risk that not being the case. You agree to the Terms & Conditions at sign-up, if you are violating them from the start, I have no intention of supporting you continuing to do so. Your account shouldn't exist if you created it prior to being 13. Again, as I've said in this thread, I can't see people getting banned for this outside of the next couple of weeks when people challenge it to make a scene, but I wanted to be transparent in that the staff team very much may if there is strong evidence to prove you created your account prior to being 13 (Or you shout about it as I said). Red was banned because he on more than one occasionally publicly stated he created his account when he was under 13, as a result my hands were tied because it was a TOS Violation, and as such a Cat 1 Indef ban from Discord.

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↩ @'FT ' in other words, purely out of spite.

No, purely out of enforcing the Discord Terms & Conditions that we are bound by.

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↩ @'FT ' awful move. you’re going to destroy your own community or turn it against you if you remain actively hostile towards it.

The community refused any other options. They didn't want it to be corporate or providing ID or anything that could give me a strong argument to Discord if they came to me and threatened to close us down, so we're doing the only thing left.

Again, people seem to be blowing this quite a bit out of scale... We were previously not enforcing the TOS as strictly as we should have been, and we agreed that we would un-ban accounts when they reach the age of 13 and we can be CONFIDENT that they have reached that age, now we're going for the easier route of banning the account as if it was any other TOS Violation.

This is not the outcome I wanted, but I'm struggling to find any other alternative now without just ignoring the Discord TOS entirely which I can't see ending well for anyone... I for one am not willing to risk losing my Discord account over this, much less the TF Discord and other Discord servers I own.

Updated to allow the ID Verification route entirely and move to simply doing what every other server does things and simply indef ban them.

↩  Tizz It's the trade off between enforcing the TOS like we're supposed to as a community and as a server registered as a Discord Community Server, and risking Discord burning it...

As I said, more than a few times. I have Zero intention of banning people for accounts that were registered prior to the age of 13, other than where they go "Hey, My account was registered before I was 13, isn't that a laugh".

This change is designed to simplify the process, and remove the "I'm 13 and don't want to prove it" problem, which I can also understand, I wouldn't share my ID if I was 13, I'm not disagreeing that it's a problem, but at the same time we have to be mindful that Discord frankly is at this point the centre point of the community, and if we lose it, it would be devastating to our ability to function and grow. Not to mention, I quite frankly like my Discord account, I don't want it getting burnt because someone decided to violate the TOS in a server I own.

↩ @'r00t'

It's not hard for you having done it a few times and being technical... It's not hard for me to deploy an enterprise cloud but I wouldn't expect everyone to do it...

This was my point, you're saying "It's easy" because you are technical and have learnt how to do it... The reason most people won't upgrade their version of Windows and any applications is because they don't like change...

Also a lot of the time you have to know what is possible, most people wouldn't know what GNOME is much less that you could make it look like MacOS or anything else.

Hell I don't know anything about Plasma and wouldn't have known before this post it could be made to look like Windows...

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↩  Tizz What can people show if government doesn’t issue them an ID at the age they’re allowed to be in Discord?

Generally speaking people can get passports from birth, so there should be no reason someone couldn't get a government issued identification source prior to being 13 or even after being older than 13.

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↩  videogamesm12 So quick question. What if your account is several years old but was made like months before you turned 13? Do you still get indefinitely banned from the Discord for something you did years ago?

Yes. Your account violated the Discord TOS at sign-up and as a result could not have agreed to their terms, as such the account should have been banned by discord, and we will ban it. Generally I can't see this happening (Other than for the next few weeks while everyone is a drama queen about this), but strictly speaking it would be a violation of the TOS as you agreed to them at sign-up, therefore we would ban it under the Section 1 offence in Discord for violating their Terms & Conditions.

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↩  Alco_Rs11 I decided to review the discord TOS. There is no mention of “if the account was created when the user is under 13, and they turn 13, it still violates the TOS.” The Terms only require a user to be 13 and the minimum digital consent age for their respective country to continue using discord within the terms. By the logic of discord’s own TOS, the account no longer violates the terms once the user is 13. The paragraph below is the only instance where age was mentioned in the Terms that I could find.

The point is they couldn't have consented to those terms at the point of sign-up, and as a result their accounts existence is a violation of those terms... That's the reason.

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↩  Shyrix as if every latest gen folk on the internet hasn’t made at LEAST one social media related account while under the age of thirteen (including discord for the younger audience)

I don't risk my account getting permanently banned and the community removed if someone is under 13 on any other platform, I do on Discord.

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↩  Shyrix provide id to join total freedom’s MINECRAFT discord server, which already has nsfw discourged and similar things in order to be more “child friendly”

Or don't go around yelling that you're under 13 or shit like that, and nobody would notice and/or care...

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↩  Zarcana Where in the TOS does it state that a user that was previously underage and had a discord account could never use the account, as it was created after they were no longer underage?

See above reply in here.

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↩ @'dillon ' Still sketchy that this ID stuff is being implemented, stop doing discords job for them and maybe focus on bringing players in rather than pushing them away

If Discord permban my account and delete our Discord, we won't have a community left. Again, if you make yourself known to be under the age of 13 then you should expect to be sanctioned. If you don't go shouting about being under 13, literally nobody is going to care.

Hi Folks,

I normally wouldn't make this as a forum announcement, but given a lot of the recent controversy over bans we have issued for individuals being under the age of 13 which has made its way to the forums I figure this is a good place to make the announcement while the Discord information tab is updated.

Going forward, we are now removing the Section 1 (Indef Ban) Exception for violation of the Discord Terms & Conditions whereby we would formally revoke the ban when the user is 13 (Or the age as defined by their region if different). As a result going forward we will be treating any users under the age of 13 as an indefinite Discord ban for breaking the terms & conditions.

The reason behind this is that the account was still created prior to the user being aged 13, and as such it's existence continues to actively violate the Discord Terms And Conditions which we are bound by. There will be no exceptions to this change going forward.

I will also clarify, where a ban is issued, the burden of proof is on the Discord Staff team to be satisfied that the user is indeed under the age of 13 (Or age appropriate if regions are different) at the time they are in the Discord, and the individual stating such in game, discord or anywhere else is deemed enough.

Once the ban has been issued we all not allow it to be appealed. Users will be required to create a new Discord account when they are 13 or older in line with the Discord TOS, at which point they can re-join.