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↩ enchy only 20% of abortions are for economic reasons
20% is a pretty fucking large percentage... Also citation needed.
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↩ enchy dont want a baby, dont do the one thing designed to make babies.
So you're removing more freedoms?
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↩ enchy and only 0.5% of abortions are because of rape so rape isnt really statistically meaningful when talking about abortion.
Ahh yes, let's just ignore the argument because it's annoying. It's fine because you haven't been raped so it's no big deal right? What a fucking awful approach on life.
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↩ enchy we should be ashamed as a species that we kill our own fucking babies.
No, we are talking about a non-developed foetus. That is not a baby.
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↩ enchy in 200 years humanity will call all of us psychopaths that we murdered millions of our own children, just like how we look back at slave owners and dictators.
But we're not, we're not talking about "Children" or "babies" we're talking about non-developed and pre-brain clumps of cells. If that said set of cells were bought out of the womb at the time we're talking about termination rather than being left to develop they would pass any sort of test to suggest that it is alive / sentient on it's own (See the Turing test for one of many examples of such tests).
What you've actually done is FORCED someone against their will to carry and provide for what will become a child they will simply get rid of as soon as they possibly can. It's disgusting and we should honestly be ashamed of ourselves as a race for feeling it's acceptable to remove the rights of people. A foetus has not developed to the point it is a living sentient being, and is having no rights taken away by being terminated at an early stage of pregnancy.
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↩ enchy its not removing lives
I never said it was
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↩ enchy it is protecting them.
No, it's the FORCED creation of life, in most civilised countries we call that rape and non-consent.
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↩ enchy it is removing liberties in order to protect life.
As I've argued, it is not.
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↩ enchy and it is preventing the pursuit of happiness to harm the lives of others.
That didn't even make any sense
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↩ enchy to prevent suffering, we should kill all poor people. by letting poor people live, we are creating suffering for them.
If that's the hill you want to die on, then by all means. But it's not an argument I've made, and you're strawmanning here. Grow up.
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↩ enchy suffering doesnt matter when talking about abortion because life is so much more important than suffering.
No life, which is the point.
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↩ enchy whatever troubles the baby or mother may face, the value of their lives is more important than their suffering.
Not when you're forcing that suffering onto both, fate is one thing, intentionally sabotaging someones (and their Childs) chance at success is just being cruel. It's not civilised and it's sure as fuck not right.
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↩ enchy f not, then we should all just kill ourselves because it will prevent suffering.
Fucking. Straw. Man.
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↩ enchy for “actual life,” the only consistent way to define life is beginning at conception. any other definition doesnt work.
I think most laws globally, most civilised countries and common sense disagrees.