Quote@Ashaz#7404 also is it possible to make it cracked?
Probably not, we'd look to tie it into the current bungee network if possible. Cracked servers pose a lot of more complex issues that to be honest I don't think we want to be getting into if we can help it, I don't believe the cracked server community is that large now anyway given most people own a MC account that ever want to play it, we just end up with people trolling and avoiding bans for the most part.
Updates as this will have impacts for multiple weekends in February now.
@Ashaz#7381 The development servers won't be, the beta server probably will be by default.
In order to try to rationalize the infrastructure I'm hosting and generally improve the developer experience, we're going to be removing the current "Beta Network" and instead replace it with a number of more useful development orientated servers on the live bungee server.
We are deploying a number of developer servers that the dev team can use for pre-release testing of features and plugins in a safe and controlled environment, and where they can have unrestricted access to the server files to make changes as appropriate.
We will then be utilizing a beta freedom server which will be used by me and the Executive Lead Developer (When one is appointed) to do formal release testing prior to being rolled out on to Freedom-01 / Freedom-02
My hope is this will make it easier for the developers to work on things, and fits a bit better into the longer term vision for how I want the main TF Network to operate.
As always any questions / similar gimme a yell.
Updated to include details on Sunday's plans.
Quote@fssp#7303 There's a difference between something being relevant and a valid complaint. "Flarum is in its beta stage of development" is not a valid complaint because it does nothing to demonstrate any sort of discontent with the forum software. Something isn't automatically bad if it is revealed to be "in beta."
I fail to see where their website tells people "not to use it in production." Here is what Flarum's documentation says about using the server software in production:
In this case, your quote says it for me. "Please don't use Flarum in production" - Yes, it clarifies "Unless you know what you're doing" but I'm not a flarum developer, and frankly unless you are or you're otherwise an experienced web developer, you probably don't know really what you're doing... I haven't got time for every minor version uplift to work out why something stupid has fallen over in their upgrade scripts, that aren't even documented in a working state as I found recently.
Quote@fssp#7303 I would personally argue that "features" such as private messaging and polling do not belong on a forum, let alone one without two-factor authentication. Discord already supports direct messaging, is a platform with mobile applications, and better security features for its users. As for polling, I'm sure you can determine how I feel about how polls stupidify the democratic process and allow members to lapse into clicking on a button instead of articulating their opinion.
Private messaging and polling are both fairly basic features that make up a message board... While it's all good and well saying there are other platforms, they are just that, other platforms. We shouldn't be mandating members have to sign up for multiple accounts just to contact someone in private. The forums have always been our primary way of communication, and the fact their private messages are a module that I've yet to get to work at all makes it frankly infuriates me.
Quote@fssp#7303 If "we're" already doing this, then what's the point of defending (or attacking) Flarum? It seems like you've made up your mind already.
Apologies was half asleep this morning figuring I should write something before people start tagging / otherwise poking me on this topic, didn't spot the typo clearly when I posted. But yes, the intent fully is to move to something that isn't beta, is supportable and meets the requirements I see the server having. I'm certainly not here to do anything more than give my personal view on Flarum from someone who has the misfortune of having to support it...
Quote@videogamesm12#7248 Email notifications incorrectly mark who replied to your post in both the email title and the message itself.
That's nothing to do with the implementation, that's native Flarum AFAIK... All we did was give it a mail server to use.
Hi All,
Superior Networks has just completed a major overhaul of it's compute capabilities and we've now got our new "enterprise grade" SSD Backed server up and running.
As part of this we will be doing a number of activities to move kit that is currently on the old HDD backed server, on to the new infrastructure. TF is currently one of the main priorities for this work as it should bring greater stability and performance for the game servers. As part of this work we will be re-platforming a number of other pieces of infrastructure which currently reside outside of the core SN Infrastructure which will also impact TF this weekend.
I've tried to keep the impact to TF to when there tend to be less players on anyway, and I'll keep this post up to date with all of the links as appropriate.
DB03 Maintenance - Total Outage to TF - https://status.atlas-media.co.uk/maintenances/zWnmMgPwgoMF
Network Manager UI Migration - No player impact - https://status.atlas-media.co.uk/maintenances/NXHOHS4KYfhT
Hub-02 Migration - Potential Risk to Connectivity / Resiliency - https://status.atlas-media.co.uk/maintenances/nWX7Jj7NHaCR
Hub-01 Retirement and Hub-03 Commissioning - Potential Risk to Connectivity / Resiliency - https://status.atlas-media.co.uk/maintenances/F2QlaY8txzoj
DB01 Retirement - Risk To Service - https://status.atlas-media.co.uk/maintenances/UtrkoF0aPt4w
MBServer & Forums Migration - Total Outage of MBServer and Forums - https://status.atlas-media.co.uk/maintenances/okoTbBDkAa9p
DB02 Data Migration & Retirement - Total Outage to Freedom-01 and Freedom-02 - https://status.atlas-media.co.uk/maintenances/VG6GIeKCKy91
Bungee Migration - Total Outage to entire TF Network - https://status.atlas-media.co.uk/maintenances/31WTggFWg44E
Freedom-01 Migration - Total Outage of Freedom-01 Server - https://status.atlas-media.co.uk/maintenances/CnUvuhKMJ8hs
So to cover some points here.
The fact the software is classed as beta is absolutely relevant. There as big warnings on their own website telling people not to use it in production, the fact someone decided thst was ever a good Idea is super stupid.
Extentions sound great but for core functionality are stupid. There's no easy way to update all of them, and every time you do version upgrades things break, had exactly that happen in the last upgrade and had to uninstall and reinstall most of the plug-ins. Basic core functionality should be able to be toggled yes but also part of the core stack. The fact I have to downloads third party add-ons to do things like private messaging polling and splitting threads, many of them lacking the rich features of other software.
On that, the error handling is shite, I've tried to enable the private messaging add on in multiple versions and there is no detailed error to tell me wtf is going on.
In terms of this forums specific implementation, it's literally an install of flarum fresh out the box. Nothing weird or special, so other than potentially the current now legacy server that it is hosted on not being as powerful as their own forums, I couldn't tell you why we get poor performance. I think a lot is geographic because it runs pretty well in the UK here.
Permissions are a major issue and do impact users, it's impossible to effectively setup permissions using the system they've developed and it means we end up with weird behaviour in order to try to deal with other stupid shit like not having a structure to tags with multiple levels.
Were moving to new software soon because flarum ultimately never met the requirements this community have... And isn't fit for purpose... We need software that is actually supported and remedies a lot of the issues in this thread and previous ones, flarum might be great software in the future but right now it lacks a lot of fairly important features for us.
@Panther#7250 I suspect that might be a geographical thing more than anything else. Things tend to load pretty quickly for me, but equally I'm used to things not loading that fast due to shite internet...
@fleshly#7239 Which is fine, and if they continue to be aggressive towards people then we can take it from there, but as everyone else has highlighted, it's clearly someone trolling, and if it is and they really wanna troll they're going to continue to create new accounts anyway. If they haven't broken the forum guidelines to warrant a ban then we shouldn't be banning them...
(Apologies, just spotted the category. Shall unlock but leave the history because that makes the thread better I'd say)
It's an automated ban. Wait it out.
@elmon#7209 Nothing in the forum guidelines against that... And arguably the application seemed to answer all the questions, it's probably more complete than quite a few apps we have had before.
I have AGAIN had to moderate content on this thread.
Please keep on topic, and don't be dicks. This is the last time I will warn people on this thread, and anyone involved in the thread. If I continue to see this behaviour I will start imposing forum sanctions.
I will also clarify, if someone makes a comment on here that asks the applicant a question, or makes claims the applicant wishes to challenge, this is absolutely the place to be doing so. It should be done politely, and generally I would ask if it's going to span a whole mini-thread, to take it to DM's and come back here once it's done appropriately.
Unless posts have somehow been permanently deleted that I can't see, I can't see any violations of the forum posting guidelines here...
To make it clear, just because we have always been a freedom server doesn't mean it's the only thing we ever have to offer...
Given the Freedom servers are dead half the time, clearly people haven't got that much of an interest in playing FreeOP at the moment, it goes in phases. I'd rather have people on the network on a different gamemode than playing on someone elses network...
@UnderTails#7168 So that's not possible.
The options here are, everyone goes back to using play.totalfreedom.me as a primary way to connect and it connects you to the last server on the network you were connected to, if that's down you get bounced back to a hub server.
Or alternatively the current implementation remains.
We can't set it up (As far as I'm aware at least) so freedom.play and smp.play route you back to the same server on a re-connect.
@redeastwood#7083 Does it log everything to CoreProtect? That's one of the things I think there was historic concern about.
I think we do have a ticket to look into FAWE, my point in general that was removing AWE and just putting a hard limit on standard WorldEdit caused us other problems in the past, and will likely re-create those issues, we just end up swapping between the problems.
Given as I've already said more than once that the bug was quite literally that you did only join freedom 1 instead of one of them. I'm closing this thread.
If you want to change the behaviour of the bungee and how players connect then write up a new suggestion please.
