Posts by enchy

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↩  Telesphoreo Source because if that’s true then I must be really rare to know people in that 0.5% super minority?

https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/

to say its extremely rare doesnt mean that it never happens. being born is a 1 in a million chance to win the sperm race but everyone here won the race (good jab yall). my point is that arguing for abortions because of rape isnt a good argument since the huge majority of abortions have nothing to do with rape

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↩  Telesphoreo Disagree here. Having control over our bodies is more important than some cheap toy manufacturered in China.

youre completely missing the point. the point is that control and restrictions are sometimes necessary to protect certain things, such as life. banning stealing restricts the pursuit of happiness in order to protect property and liberty. banning abortions restricts liberty and the pursuit of happiness in order to protect life. life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are in that order intentionally.

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↩  Miwojedk Do you know what the findings of the Mueller Probe were?

quoted from darwins wiki link: “there was no evidence to bring any conspiracy charges against Trump or his associates.”

no evidence of conspiracy

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↩  root pardon me if im wrong but i havent seen any information anywhere regarding “ripping a baby to pieces and throwing it into the trash” as how any of this works??? you’re wording there is very poor and doesn’t help your argument much as that’s not even what is done

i mean heres a literal abortion doctor explaining it: https://youtu.be/5THDmys8z30

and this is in the first trimester, too. the baby gets ripped to pieces, sucked through a tube, and thrown in the trash. my wording is fine

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↩  darwin the baby does not have a concept of “death” yet, and thus cannot experience it

fair enough. i was making a point that the life of the baby being destroyed is worse than the economic or social standing of the mother being destroyed

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↩  darwin is banning abortion necessary?

i believe so yes, since i believe abortion is murder

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↩  darwin except in some cases, they don’t want to be pregnant.
or maybe they suddenly turned around and decided “hey I don’t want a baby”

too late. some person who just decides they dont want a baby anymore still has a human life inside them. regardless of whether they want the baby or not, its alive, and to kill it would be wrong

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↩  Telesphoreo The difference about stealing is that we’re talking about some item vs controlling an actual body

i dont think so. in both cases the government is restricting certain actions in order to protect something more importan

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↩  Telesphoreo Getting raped is not their “free choice” (or their fault)

of course yea, but that only accounts for 0.5% of abortions. still, even in those rare cases, a baby born from rape is not any less human, and has the same value as any other baby

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↩  root except not all of them are????????

the massive majority are, only 0.5% of abortions are because of rape

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↩  root this is absolutely what could be considered forcing in this case.

https://www.dispatch.com/story…iana-abortion/7788415001/

(remember, this is coming from the “but think of the children!!!!!!” kind of people, but they clearly don’t actually care about the children when a literal child is also involved with and affected by this.)

if the mother’s life is in danger, id be fine with an abortion. however, if the mother would live past giving birth, then i would not support an abortion. while the situation you listed is truly evil, two wrongs dont make a right. the baby is still human and still has the same fundamental right to life. and the “think of the children!!!” people youre claiming are hypocrites have just made the same decision: if the mother would live, then the life of the baby trumps anything else. killing the baby would only be acceptable to me if the mothers life would be ended, but if the mother would live, then i dont see any other exemption that makes sense

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↩  erin When people have sex it’s because they love each other and want to feel really good with each other, they don’t want 9 months of pain followed by 18+ years of financial and emotional dependencies to deal with. Especially with the current inflation rate and housing crisis.

just because you dont want consequences to happen doesnt mean that they just wont happen. sex will always carry the risk of becoming pregnant no matter what you do. its like saying i want to get drunk to feel good, but i dont want the hangover. be ready for the risks that you take. and adoption is always an option for parents who cant take care of a child

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↩  erin There’s over 400,000 children in the US foster care system, many of which will languish there for the majority of their childhood.. a number from when people could get abortions. There are already an overload of children there.. where the hell are they all gonna go? Growing up in a foster home is devastating for development.

id say ripping a baby to pieces and throwing it into the trash is slightly worse for development

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↩  erin You’re also still forcing a woman through a 9 month pregnancy which isn’t very comfortable to say the least

i mean you got two options: 9 months of pain, and then youre done and can give the baby up for adoption, or no pain and the baby dies. i think a human life is worth more than 9 months of being uncomfortable

looks like i was right all along to call you dr ass

since you love discord leaks so much here are a couple for you:

anyways yea object, wait a year or more at least because mental retardation doesnt get cured this quickly

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↩  Miwojedk don’t understand what you mean.

Higher voter turnout usually equals better numbers for Democrats. So unless you’re going to argue against democracy, then I don’t see how what you’re saying is in any way troublesome.

i mean that when people say that republicans will try to control elections, democrats will also try to control them. like you said, i dont think its troublesome if both parties are “controlling the elections.” seems bipartisan to me

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↩  Miwojedk Can you give an example of Democrats failing in this instance?

refusing to admit hillary lost in 2016 and instead doing a 2 year probe on some fake story of trump colluding with russia to interfere in the election

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↩  darwin giving birth isn’t a great experience

its a lot worse experience for the baby getting killed

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↩  darwin by forcing women to give birth, you are, in a way, “controlling” women.

thats like saying the government is controlling you by banning you from stealing from other people. technically yes, but that doesnt necessarily mean its a bad thing. some forms of control are always necessary, or else we’d just live in anarchy with no governing laws

and i wouldnt call it “forcing women to give birth” when they’re pregnant from their own free choice.

↩  Luke my bad, i didnt read the article thoroughly enough.

still, i cant believe that republicans would be be the only ones to do whatever with elections if scotus decides to overturn moore v harper. democrats will jump at the opportunity just like republicans will, and like i said, if both sides are controlling the election, that sounds pretty bipartisan. both sides will do some scummy things so theres no point saying “my side is better” when it comes to election integrity. both sides have already failed.

↩  darwin choosing to raise the child or let the child be adopted instead of just killing them

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↩ @'luca nyahoooo' I’m just disgusted that you are spreading rape apologist rhetoric.

bullshit. you and i both know this is bullshit. where have i said anything that makes excuses for rape.

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↩ @'luca nyahoooo' Did you know that a lot of women are on life saving medications that they couldn’t take if they didn’t terminate a pregnancy ?

i have literally said id be fine with abortions ONLY in the case of preserving the life of the mother. just goes to show how much you actually read the opposing arguments before calling anyone you disagree with “rape apologists.” anyways, in that situation someone dies either way so i dont see how saying no abortion does anything there

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↩ @'luca nyahoooo' why should they have to live with that mistake for life.

because actions have consequences. you make a mistake, you own up to it deal with it. every choice has its effects. refusing to deal with your own mistakes is asking to live in a fantasy where nothing ever goes wrong, which is childish, and never going to happen.

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↩ @'luca nyahoooo' It’s a traumatic process for everyone.

its a hell of a lot more traumatic for the baby whos getting killed

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↩ @'luca nyahoooo' This is about power. This is deluded men AND a percentage of women brainwashed and oppressed by them.

if its about power then i would support banning abortion even in cases where it preserves the life of the mother. but i dont. which goes to show i am proLIFE and no pro controlling women. and somehow anyone who disagrees with you is either deluded or brainwashed. wake the fuck up. people disagree with you. they might be right. not everyone who disagrees with you has some mental issue. not everyone who disagrees with you is a “rape apologist”,”deluded”,”brainwashed”, or trying to control women. i already know youre not gonna listen to anything i say, so im just gonna make a prediction that you will continue to call me a rape apologist, say that anyone who opposes abortion just wants to control women, and that somehow 38% of women are brainwashed.

personally i always find it ironic seeing people on the left wing saying republicans are trying to control elections, only a few years after trying to change the outcome of the 2016 election, spending over $30m dollars on a 2 year long investigation, and slandering trump as being a russian agent and colluding with russia to corrupt the election.

everyone says the other side is trying to control the elections. if both sides are controlling the elections, that sounds pretty fair to me. the worlds not ending, its just politicians doing what politicians do

(ps “given justification” whatever justification they give will get challenged in court, so its not like theyre gonna just bullshit the election with no consequences)

vouch

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↩ @'luca nyahoooo' those of you saying there shouldn’t even be an exception for rape cases, you are truly just acting gross. Literally misogynistic.

typically insulting people because of their opinion shows that you dont know how to actually argue against them. instead of slandering anyone who disagrees with you as hating women, read their arguments. if you took the time to understand the prolife position, you would know that prolifers dont like abortion because it kills the baby. they believe that the fetus is a human being with the value of a human. now, why should a baby be any less human because of how it was born? regardless of circumstances, its a human being, so why should abortion be allowed there?

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↩ @'luca nyahoooo' This is a war against women, not about saving fucking children.

then why are almost 40% of women against abortion 💀 (source because red will yell at me https://www.nbcnews.com/politi…divides-abortion-n1278210). its not a war against women, pro choice advocates just use that as a straw man to say that prolifers just want to turn women into baby making slaves, and not have to argue prolifers real opinions. a real war against women would be like the taliban in afghanistan, where women could actually be killed for wearing shorts. but you think a “war against women” looks like an opinion that we shouldnt kill babies, which is supported by almost 40% of women.

tempted to vouch just for the name

↩  LightUK if it was my personal belief that something was morally wrong and there was no reason for it to be constitutionally protected, why shouldnt i campaign to ban it?

↩  fleshly hes pulling the bible to defend his own support of the supreme court decision. hes just saying his religious beliefs agree with this supreme court decision

we have a deep discussion board literally for this type of stuff. as long as debates are held there and do not turn into flame wars i dont see any reason to just get rid of any discussion about real world events

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↩  Miwojedk Rape is indeed the exception, and I think @enchy would be hard-pressed to argue against abortion in extreme cases such as rape.

if the argument against abortion is because the the fetus is a human, how is a baby born from rape any less human? yes its traumatic for everyone involved but that doesnt make the baby any less human.

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↩  RedEastWood Are you suggesting that a pregnant woman getting an abortion is equivalent to a slave owner killing a slave, or a dictator killing a protestor? You make semi-decent points at times, but you always provide these insane comparisons.

no, im saying that the way we look back at slavery and say “wow people were so evil back then” is the same way people will look back at us for abortion.

btw i cited my source in an earlier reply, here it is https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/

idk why our sources are so different, this is thr first one that showed up when i googled abortion statistics

other than that miwo responded to pretty much everything i wanted to and i think he understands my viewpoint well so im not gonna reply anymore because the last time this debate happened it turned into kind of a flame war

↩  taah rape no. a baby being born from rape isnt any less human. for life of the mother, sure. i dont really lean either way on that

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↩  erin t is 2022 lad.. children aren’t the only reason to do the deed. It’s incredibly backwards to think that a couple who don’t want any children should never ever do the deed.

im not saying that, i just saying if they became pregnant it would be by their own choice. every choice has risks, but that doesnt mean we shouldnt make those choices. im not saying never have sex, im just saying its wrong to say a pregnancy is “forced” when it was caused by a free choice.

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↩  erin A foetus, up until it is viable, is biologically a parasite. It relies entirely on the mother for around 24 weeks, and if born prior to that time has an extremely low chance of survival. If the foetus cannot survive without the nutrients and warmth from the pregnant woman’s body, I cannot see why it should be called independent.

not a parasite since theyre the same species. people who need medical equipment like ventilators or life support cant live on their own, but that doesnt mean they arent independent humans.

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↩  erin Every month, a woman flushes one of her eggs down the toilet. We don’t ruin our lives every month because a unique potential child is now gone. We have 400 of those eggs. And when a guy does his thing, millions of potential children are killed. When a couple has a child, I don’t see them mourning the life ruining loss of the millions of sperm who didn’t make it and dozens of eggs who were never fertilised.

because those sperm and egg cells arent independent humans. they havent created a genetically unique human

↩  fleshly not really but then let me redo the question: the child will be homeless after being saved from being shot. either one child gets a house and the other dies, or ones life is saved but they are both homeless