Posts by Darth

    Good idea using 2b2t as an eye-grabber. Although I was told doing so is "tasteless" (which I disagree with), I think that's a good step.

    I wrote 95% of the script : )))
    my final contribution as former ESL, i hope it's well enjoyed
    also thanks to my bro nick for splitting the narration cost with me and doing the visuals.

    I think this is a good first step in the right direction. I hope to see you improve over the next several months, and I hope that down the road when you eventually apply for another position that I can vote yes in good faith.

    Vouch. Not too concerned about the fact that he was banned, he was being a massive troll at the time and had to be punished in-game and on the forums many times. But it's been a couple years so I'm good if he's coming back.

    I absolutely object to this. ¨Senior Admins that have applied for it" - so what you want is another rank in the hierarchy beyond Senior. The point of senior is that itś the final in the chain, and while that concept has devolved over the years, we don't need more ranks.

    Oh I'm sure the statistic could be correct on paper. But I would like to see where he got the information from, because it seems he's misrepresented/misinterpreted studies and such on this thread, even when the links say not to read too much into it.

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    @billy7oblos#12707 because its morally wrong

    According to who? See, the problem here is that the ONLY reason you are saying it's "morally wrong" is... no reason? You're using circular logic (aka, saying "x is true because x is true"). What makes being gay morally wrong? Please answer this directly.

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    @billy7oblos#12707 as a society or group, people who ban LGBT have lower suicide rates and depression rates (total)

    Citation needed.

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    @billy7oblos#12707 Exactly, so their life did not get better.

    Because people continue to target them. They do not get treated equally to heterosexual people. Their lives are more uncomfortable because of the people who target them for being LGTBQ+ - NOT because they are LGTBQ+.

    @elmon#12307 Fair enough, just saying that because it's Nick, the sample size is probably very small. I'm sure the total number of LGTBQ+ in Saudi Arabia is around 5%, regardless of if they are public with it or not.

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    @billy7oblos#12224 they don't know the difference.

    Citation needed.

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    @billy7oblos#12224 stop bringing animals into the conversation because they are irrelevant here, animals rape and kill and do bad things

    I'm bringing it up as evidence that homosexuality is not exclusive to humans, nor was it invented by humans.

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    @billy7oblos#12224 as for the legality, it was legalized in 2003 because it was illegal in 14 states (more states had laws against it but they changed the laws before 2003)

    That was a SCOTUS case that set the precedent that sodomy laws were unconstitutional. It did not mean that being homosexual was illegal before that.

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    @billy7oblos#12224 again bringing up animals in invalid so...

    Invalid why? Because it contradicts with your claim?

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    @billy7oblos#12224 yea but they rape steal and kill, they don't know the difference and the don't exclusively have sex with the same gender (they would be considered 'bi' in modern terms)

    And what's wrong with being bi? Animals know what they're doing, they're surviving through any means.

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    @billy7oblos#12224 point 2: it has nothing to do with how you were raised
    yea it does, many studies link homosexuality with being molested as a child. if your claim was true why are there no gay people in the KSA (you need to prove that there are claiming they are repressed means nothing)

    I never said it had nothing to do with how you were raised, I said it's not ONLY about how you were raised. Nature vs nurture is only one part of it.

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    @billy7oblos#12224 point 3: it is depicted in historical imagery
    yea some societies were degenerate, they also had raped children and animals and did some horrible stuff, any society can start to have gay people in it

    Again, you're simply asserting that homosexuality is degenerate because you say it is.

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    @billy7oblos#12224 what part of "there was no such thing" do you not understand? you would not just "claim to be gay". even if there was [a very small number of] gay people, they did not 'identify' as lgbt.
    i cited this:


    strong disapproval of homosexuality was reported for 41% of 42 cultures; it was accepted or ignored by 21%, and 12% reported no such concept. Of 70 ethnographies, 59% reported homosexuality absent or rare in frequency and 41% reported it present or not uncommon." -Adolescence and puberty By John Bancroft, June Machover Reinisch, p.162


    12% of the cultures studied in this study did not even know homosexuality was a concept, that doesn't sound like they were oppressed to me. they had full freedom to come forward (5% of society right?)

    There is a difference between being oppressed and unaware, but they have similar effects. Someone who is gay but doesn't know what that is or how to deal with it will suffer from cognitive dissonance. If someone doesn't know what being homosexual means, then why would they come out?

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    @billy7oblos#12224 look at KSA today where it is leagal, is natzi Germany your only example?

    Saudi Arabia is an extremist state that fines and imprisons homosexuals for life. So most homosexuals in that country would not come out, because they don't want to be in prison...

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    @billy7oblos#12224 sexual deviancy is morally wrong, where do morals come from? the come from religious scripture or from nature (where else)

    Nature doesn't have any morals... it's not an entity. There are many religions with different beliefs and no objective way to tell them apart.

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    @billy7oblos#12200 homosexuality was invented not long ago

    What? If you mean relative to the creation of the Earth a few billion years ago, then sure homosexuality hasn't been around for long. But if you mean relative to the evolution of humans, then it has been around longer than we have. We have seen it in animals that existed before we did,

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    @billy7oblos#12200 and before that it was illegal (it was only legalized in 2003)

    Illegal where? Legalized where? It was already "legal" in the United States, please provide a citation.

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    @billy7oblos#12200 you cannot claim that the number of LGBT did not increase because they never used to exist before.

    I've provided evidence to the contrary that you've ignored. We see homosexual behavior in animals older than humanity.

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    @billy7oblos#12200 You are the one making the claim that somehow the number was constant through time so you must prove your claim.

    The claim: The number of homosexuals has stayed relatively constant throughout human history, and as it becomes more accepted in society, more will come out of the closet, giving the appearance of the "real" number rising.


    Evidence: Until relatively recently, it was much more of a taboo, and homosexual people were discouraged from revealing themselves (out of fear that they would be targeted).


    -We see homosexual behavior in animals that have existed longer than humans.
    -From what we know about the cause of sexuality, it's not something that can be set entirely by how one is raised (e.g, there are homosexuals that were raised by religious parents that would have told them many times that homosexuality is "wrong").
    -It is depicted in historical imagery.
    -The major rise in the numbers coincides with the awareness movement of the late 1900's, which would have encouraged more people that were in the closet (but who already existed) to come out.

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    @billy7oblos#12200 The percentage has not only increased, it went from 0 to whatever it is today (because the number of people identifying as lgbt went from 0-whatever it is today)

    Where is this "zero" statistic from? Can you cite a source for that number? That seems like a figure you just materialized from your own head.

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    @billy7oblos#12200 we did not used to kill them "en mass"

    Yes we did. In fact, it's happened in the last hundred years (e.g the targeting and execution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany).

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    @billy7oblos#12200 they were just not as many of them to kill

    There "weren't as many" because they wouldn't have revealed themselves, knowing that doing so would result in their death.

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    @billy7oblos#12200 pedophilia is more stigmatized than LGBT so according to your logic they can be a huge % of people

    It's likely that the number of people with pedophilia is much larger than our current estimates - the people we hear about and that get sentenced are the ones who can't control themselves and actually go commit those crimes. People who have pedophilia are generally not going to admit that because they know it would result in social exile.

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    @billy7oblos#12200 morality. If you are referring to objective morality, they are both morally wrong because they contribute to a sexual deviancy and sexual deviancy is morally wrong

    You have not explained why it is morally wrong.

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    @billy7oblos#12200 they are both morally wrong because they contribute to a sexual deviancy

    Let's start here - you are claiming that homosexuality is morally wrong because it contributes to sexual deviancy. That's great, let's continue to examine your argument.

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    @billy7oblos#12200 and sexual deviancy is morally wrong

    Here's the problem - WHY is sexual deviancy morally wrong? According to religious scripture? Because that is also circular reasoning.

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    @billy7oblos#12200 ok what about bestiality? we kill animals for food, surely rape is less better than killing? would you accept bestiality?

    Killing animals for food is a necessary evil to survive in some cases. Bestiality is simply harming the animal for pleasure.

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    @billy7oblos#12200 what about watching real child porn, as long as you don't pay anyone you are not supporting the child being raped, you are only enjoying it.

    Providing traffic to the "real child porn" or seeking it out for enjoyment is still indirectly supporting the rapist.You are providing validation for their work and actions

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    @billy7oblos#12200 It is laughable to think that someone can have 30 trillion cells with a y chromosome and still claim to get a period.

    They can still experience the mental changes (mood swings, etc) of a period even if they don't actually menstruate.

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    @billy7oblos#12200 not really, the link i was replying talked about "the link of genetics and LGBT community" and claims there is a gay gene or similar

    There is no "gay gene" that directly causes homosexuality - it's a combination of a multitude of factors, and genetics is just one of those.

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    @billy7oblos#12200 and strangely we don't see those symptoms in conservative countries like the KSA, weird.

    Citation needed.

    One time I punished Video(GameSmash12) for abusing the command /expel - another time, I had to suspend KM_Galahad for blowing up an OP's build. I also had to suspend Cowgomooo12 for being annoying. It was unfortunate, but a necessary evil of being a Super Admin - you get all the difficult responsibilities, if that makes sense.