Flobbier - Ban Appeal

↩  ThePyroManActualAccount you misunderstand - im saying i dont care if they set a limit, as it's ultimately up to the person affected in my eyes.

↩  jwmphall I think after the amount of abuse I received by this player and encouraged by this player, the fact he's not looking at a lawsuit or criminal charges for harassment is probably the bit people should be taking away here.

It's still my belief that time has not been served on the sanction, we've banned people for a hell of a lot less for a hell of a lot longer, realistically this should have been a category 0 ban for violating UK law (Harassment) but I had other things going on when the IBR was filed, so never stepped in, and in an effort to show some level of understanding here, I've gone against my own better judgement and left this Indef Ban at the level that it was.

I don't know if the OP is sincere or not, and frankly at this point I do not care, I don't think time has been served, and I think it would be a mockery to our other indef banned players to approve an appeal so soon after the IBR was approved in the first place.

I am the owner of this server and it's community, but importantly I am also the victim of a pretty horrific amount of personal abuse, harassment and borderline stalking in some case, to which this OP was involved in, so it's hard for me to go "Yeah they've learnt their lesson, hugs all around, let's forget it ever happened". It was mentally and emotionally draining and devastating to be treated as poorly as I was, I am a human just like everyone else, and I think that's being forgotten here in an effort to pat someone on the back and tell them they've clearly learnt their lesson.

I personally don't think it's unrealistic or un-fair to have stated that the minimum appeal window was 12 months, but that's not the case, and the OP is within their rights to appeal, but likewise I'm also within my rights to object in the strongest possible terms because to me, this is still all pretty fresh.

↩  Luke so youre saying its up to you?

↩  ThePyroManActualAccount no i'm saying i disagree with jwmphall, as he says there shouldn't be a time limit but I don't care if there is, what part of this do you not understand?

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↩ @'Ryan' I think after the amount of abuse I received by this player and encouraged by this player, the fact he’s not looking at a lawsuit or criminal charges for harassment is probably the bit people should be taking away here.

He is a minor, lawsuit, criminal charges? I really think this is overreacting.

↩  Luke i dunno im just a bit confused no need to reply

↩  ThePyroManActualAccount It doesn't really matter... The dude broke the law, It's harassment... It's why they were banned from this community.

I've said my piece on the matter, I'm not interested in debating the original ban. I'm saying I don't think they should be un-banned as I've said twice now on this thread.

Switching to object. The person afflicted is clearly unhappy with the ban being lifted at such an early time considering the mental and emotional stress caused.

Quite frankly in a case like this I find it absolutely appalling that individuals are arguing against the individual harassed not wanting their harasser to return so soon.

↩  ThePyroManActualAccount did you read any of the rest of his post?

It is very ignorant to say that a lot of people didn’t vote object solely because it was Ryan who was affected.

I am going to object not because of the fact that Ryan hasn’t gotten over it, but rather because Flobbier feels as though he is owed this unban - specifically when he argues that he shouldn’t have to wait out a punishment if he understands what he did was wrong. That notion is so incredibly flawed that I don’t even feel the need to expand on it, unless someone asks.

↩  RedEastWood

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That notion is so incredibly flawed that I don’t even feel the need to expand on it, unless someone asks.

I'll ask, not for the sake of argument; but for the sake of asking

↩  erin Yes, I just wanted to engage on that particular part because it seems a bit dumb to me.

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↩ @'Ryan' not looking at a lawsuit or criminal charges for harassment

I’m sorry dude but this is a fucking Minecraft server I’m not trying to start shit but if everyone who was a bully on a Minecraft server was charged or sued we would have millions of suspects.

I personally believe that Flobbier did take this too far. However I can pinpoint so many other admins and ops who took it too far in the past and are yet still existing among the TF community.

My main question if what if Ryan never forgives him? Would you all still object?

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↩  Ivan I’m sorry dude but this is a fucking Minecraft server I’m not trying to start shit but if everyone who was a bully on a Minecraft server was charged or sued we would have millions of suspects.

And on its own that's one thing. But relentless harassment is a very different kettle of fish. This part of my post seems to be the only bit people are reading when the reality is it was supposed to provide a quantifiable bar here. Not be used as a stick to beat me for objecting to an indef ban appeal...

↩ @'Ryan' Ryan it’s a fricking block game he is joking I get why you don’t want him but he can help he said sorry and he wants/has changed

↩  matscalle Do you even know why Flobbier got banned?

↩  matscalle listen dickhead it kinda exceeded a 'block game' when alternative forums were made to make fun of this dudes appearance, it was then taken far further when it was done multiple times on Discord

Guys I get it but he has. changed

↩  matscalle I'm allowed to object to an application on whatever grounds I want. If you continue to argue on here you will be forum banned because you have no right to dictate to me what my vote is allowed to be.

I have objected and elaborated further on my objection. My decision will not change.