Make TotalFreedom Special

did u read my thread "why totalfreedom is a shithole" (im paraphrasing ofcors).

Most of my suggestions r bein taken into account by Wild atm. there is just a lot to do atm development-wise

There is nothing fun to do on TF, as you've said here. The only commands I can do are worldedit ones and a few PVP cmds, as well as some basic ass car w carz. The only thing you can actually do is build and roleplay or PVP.

I think issues over the year have taken part in removal of plugins - instead of investigating why a plugin can crash or harm the server, it gets/got removed, which was wrong. This has left TF to basically be a server which you can find on networks like PurplePrison.

I looked at plan today and we have 4800 inactive players, meaning they once joined TF. This indicates ads have worked, but the server experience itself is s•••. 4800 potential players would've meant we could've filled our network at least 16 times at the same time.

I think it's time to stop blaming the ESL team, I think it's time for the developers and ESL team to start working together (like you said). I think it's time for the community to come together, form ideas and look at them properly, not just because it's 'annoying'.

I'm considering wiping the shop and coins and starting from scratch. The economy is fucked right now, the shop is in disarray and we need incentives for players to vote beyond "here's twenty coins" - A while back I approved a suggestion to grant players a temporary colored name in tab and possibly some fun items for twenty-four hours after voting. This way you can keep players coming back to vote because they want to keep said items/perks.

@Darth#6254

Shop items were just a temporary trend like bending and everything else we attempt to advertise

spectaculation on totalfreedom???

@Miwojedk#6251 that was the first step that's been taken in a long time. it's time to start working together

@square#6253 I think the first step is making TF playable. After that, then you can think about differentiating it further.

The shop won't bring in players; vote incentives won't work if the server itself is of a substandard; player retention incentives should come naturally if you actually fix the core aspect of the server (creative) and I listed plenty of community engagement proposals in the thread.

I think you're a little conflicted. You say that you don't think plugins will fix the issue, unless you spam them, but then your solution to make TF "special" is to add plugins.. You compare them to the smp items which was... a plugin.

I also think you're exaggerating smp's success. It was more like 10-15 players before it repeatedly crashed due to the server stalling, 20-30 for a couple of hours after you upgraded the server, then 5-10 after a couple of days, then 0-5 a week after. I think you're actually completely correct when you say it's pretty useless to add plugins, unless you "spam" fun ones. There's little to no player retention in that method.

I agree with Miwo here, we need TF to be playable before we can start growing our playerbase. Like we have issues even agreeing on what to actually call the server (free-op? creative?) How is the ESL supposed to work with that? Its pretty hard, and there's a lot of effort and time that needs to happen if you want TFs structure to be fixed.

It's not enough to be "the first free-op" server or whatever we call ourselves, lol, that's the reality. A normal player would rather build, play bedwars, pvp, or any other game mode on an already established server with 500+ players. Hub servers killed small communities like ours, we will never be able to offer what servers like theirs can, that's just how it is. There will never be a reason to pick TF unless you want staff, once you do that, there's little to nothing to do anymore. That system was fine when the server had a full 50 player slots, and admins rotated out regularly. Now, its like you join, a couple months later you have either left or you're pressured to become an admin because thats just what we do with every "helpful" op. Admin culture is still very real on TF, and a big part of the reason why so many players do come back is that they were once an admin. The see, wow, the server doesn't have any players anymore, think its now boring to be an admin, and leave.

@square#6292 Would you mind if I either kept this open for a bit or moved it to general? There does seem to be some useful discussion going on here.

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@square#6250 one from nick: make the coin system an actual economy which people can exchange favours for, etc, and make an actual incentive to spend these coins (not the shitty-ish shop we have at the moment)

yes, i 100% agree, I think people would be able to have so much fun if they could transfer coins and stuff for shit, it would be dope. we could have casinos or playershops and other crazy stuff

Also, on the note of the SMPitems stuff, is there any possibility we could bring those items into tf, mabye as like a TFitems plugin, where there could be a bunch more cool things to use, i think that would be neat

I think a rebrand to a Building Server would be better. The Free OP Audience is small, but the building audience is big. What if we advertise as a Building Server where you can do more than just building, because Free OP is just something that attracts small abusive children for a day, and nobody the next.

@Noah#6521 The main problem I have with that is that there are plenty of building servers, but not that many free OP servers. Just using a different name already makes us stand out more.

It feels like there are quite a few suggestions all bundled up into one here. Is there any general consensus for things that people want to see improved / changed as a result of this thread?

Given there's no clear suggestions I could see here, or where they are they probably need to be split out, I'm going to close this suggestion down as it feels like it's ended up more of a rant than anything else.