Long-Term Ban Request - decyj145

Vouch and confirm witness. Everyone knows full well that a disorder doesn't invalidate you from breaking the rules.

Oh and I'd also like to add the logs were a tad fucked due to declan banning the name, unbanning the name then rebanning it again.

I'll repeat what I've said across the community: if you have a mental health condition and it is interfering with your duty to perform admin, don't come onto the server.

I have to admit that this is quite a complex case with some severe discrepancies, ranging from our knowledge on Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) to the fact that none of us are qualified psychologists. It's been a challenge coming to terms with people having this disorder, including the likes of myself, as it is something new to us all.

I don't trust my judgement for this case and so I have chosen not to vote. Posting this comment still felt appropriate, though.

Vouch, we apply the same standard of conduct to everyone on TF, including admins and including people with DID. Declan/Amber shouldnt be an exception to that.

My response to Declan LBR

I'm not going to be much supportive of this nor straight defensive of this ban reasoning for a few reasons, quite frankly Declan has nothing to do with his alter Amber, they're virtually two different people who share the same body in simple terms. It's quite hard, heck near impossible to fake such a condition like DID and I frankly think people shouldn't be doubting Declan just because his alter (Amber) did something wrong, I'm not that up to scratch (due to me being on vacation) but I have been keeping a close eye on the situation and I think it's not all modest to blame Declan for something he has no control over whatsoever. I'm not being supportive of Amber’s actions, but I just want to clarify in the manner in which she was mentioned in the LBR description seems like there are serious doubts being made that Declan has the condition in my opinion. While I do agree that the suspension of Declan is justified as we aren't certain that Amber won't have access to admin resources, I don't think Declan should be targeted as a candidate for an LBR for something that one of his alters did. A bit of research (takes a few minutes) on DID would directly teach you a bit about the "rapid switching" of personalities between Declan and Amber. Now I do agree that it wasn't the best decision to be in an admin position with a disorder like DID but frankly, I don't see why a 2-month ban is overly necessary to teach a lesson. While Declan did find the whole act a bit funny he did take action against Amber’s Minecraft account (the account has been owned by Amber for quite a while) for it and I see that this is already as feasible enough as no further confusion will be had. I'd also like to note that they never actually tried to imitate Alco, they just joined with an identical name and played as normal from my observations (again I am on vacation I don't know much) but I don't think Amber was directly impersonating him, but, I do understand that it is misleading which is a bit serious to a degree but still, a 2-month ban? To conclude my reasoning, out of my personal morals I don't think it is at all appropriate to ban someone with a serious condition such as DID (considering the length of said ban) and I think it's best to discuss it with them, in the long run, to make sure nothing like this happens again, DID is up there in the severity if not worse than (in some circumstances) serious level ASD which both conditions can correlate to harming a person’s daily life and rational thinking, I'm afraid I have to object for this as Declan did not have control over Amber’s actions. You may learn more about DID with a link forwarded to me by Declan when I inquired more about his DID at https://morethanone.info/

my experiences with declan have been identical each time. he begins by acting like a massive twat to me and others, and eventually it gets so bad that i feel no choice other than to retaliate. after this, we have a long conversation during which he apologises but also claims that he “hates everyone”. for example, the last interaction between us stemmed from him continuously claiming that he wanted people to burn in a fire, particularly Kad. prior to this, he was overall a cunt to me when i joined a different freedom server, provoking me by calling me a retard, loser, and someone with no friends. i didn’t take these comments to heart and replied in an equal way, hoping declan would be able to take as much as he gave. i did take his comments about wanting people to die to heart, and talked to him about it in dms. after some more insulting from both of our parts, he did eventually apologise and chalked his comments to “hating everyone”. i left it at that. this cycle happened before too, but this was the most recent one.

even if amber and declan are two different identities (which i personally doubt), declan has genuine problems and has acted very poorly to other ops and admins. he is generally very rude and pessimistic, eg i vaguely remember declan shitting on people wishing bowie a happy birthday, and my experience w him has been very negative.

so i vouch.

edit - it’s also too much of a risk, as declan himself has said he can’t control what amber does. so by that logic, he wouldn’t be able to control it if amber logged in to the admin account and abused, or worse. this just isn’t a position we should be in, and i feel like we are being far too sympathetic. if declan was more courteous to those around him then fair enough, but rn it seems like we just keep making exceptions and are getting nothing in return.

Here's my approach to the DID dilemma.

We have rules about sharing the MC account with a family member or a friend.

Amber has access to Declan's account and he can't guarantee she can't use it or interact with the server while banned through him.

In other words, my opinion is that the Declan and Amber situation can be handled similarly to an admin having a shared account.

I think the suspension is fair, for now I'm neutral about banning both.

Declan has talked to me privately regarding this ban request. I'm going to directly quote the message from discord since anything I say would just be paraphrasing.

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The suggestion is: Her account and her account only gets banned for 2-3 months, she promises not to go onto the server at all during that time - not even going onto my discord on TF. If she’s found to breach this promise I’d be added to the longban list and we’d both serve a longer ban and thus suspension than what we were initially meant to.

I can stop her from fronting so if she tried and succeeded to do anything it’d be on me.

I’d serve the current suspension until the month is done as normal

It also means that if I get admin back after the month and she fronts while I’m on that’s me breaching security

I personally object to Declans addition on this request for the reason that I do genuinely feel this is a good compromise. I won't comment on Amber's inclusion.

Again, too much compromise and too little in return.