- Official Post
The UYScutix Revolution was a campaign against the server's administration over the course of the 2017 in a bid for more democracy, the removal of a developer, and ultimately control over the server. It was led primarily by UYScutix/Vj13573, a former Senior Admin who grew sick of the server's administration and had such bad blood with Mark and other developers that it ultimately resulted in his indefinite suspension and ban from the server. The movement severely divided the admin team as many chose between supporting his cause and supporting his rival, Marco. Its collapse, which was caused by a group of three people (including one who really liked poems), led to one of the biggest suspension waves in the server's history.
Chapter 1 - Background
The revolution's roots began in early 2016 as a combination of multiple factors: community-wide resentment towards a certain administrator, unrest with management at the time, an increasingly problematic American former staff member, and an unstable British former staff member.
That "certain administrator" was an Italian player named marcocorriero11 (or Marco for short). He became an admin on January 1, 2016 through the TPaS program. To say that Marco was a controversial staff member among his peers would be an incredible understatement. He was vigorously criticized for using macros to administrate, having fully-fledged bots that almost fully automated his administrative duties, having an inflated ego, repeatedly violating the Identity Policy, or otherwise acting like an ass. Some even felt that he was being protected by Mark himself, and this wasn't without merit. Over the course of 2016 and the first half of 2017, there were four attempts vote Marco off and despite the vast majority of people voting in favor of removing him, none of the vote-offs were successful. One even resulted in VJ (who had created it) being suspended temporarily. Mark refused to remove him despite his flaws and repeatedly defended him every step of the way.
Unrest with management became more prevalent in late 2016, notably (from my memory at least) after Mark attempted to introduce the OPWatch program, which intended to give operators (including former admins) a special secret security-related rank that only Mark and a select few executives knew about. The program was hugely unpopular. Furthermore, many didn't like how Mark would dismiss public criticisms as "nasty drama", which only furthered the growing resentment towards Mark at the time. All of this culminated with multiple staff members resigning in protest. Mark responded by forum banning several who he said were "causing drama" for at least a week. He also instructed the remaining staff members to ban them from the server as well.
If you weren't able to tell, these two are interlinked. People didn't like Marco because they felt he was fucking around too much, and they didn't like Mark because they felt he was tyrannical or defended Marco despite what a good chunk of staff members felt about him.
Savnith was a former staff member with an increasingly problematic history. Many knew him to work like clockwork, as he'd apologize for his actions, then regain everyone's trust, then completely shatter it by doing something stupid. Over time, people really started to get sick of his shit, and eventually he had to resort to returning under new identities in order to keep playing on the server. He became increasingly problematic in 2017, collecting people's IP addresses from insiders and building a shitlist of sorts.
VJ was a British staff member with an unstable history. At the peak of his career, he was a Senior Admin. After resigning sometime in early 2015 (allegedly due to disputes with other staff members), he went on to attack the server and its staff members with a group of rogue staff members named DDOXYZ. In a lot of ways, he was like Savnith: constantly getting himself into trouble and then begging for more chances. After several failed attempts to return to the server under various identities, he decided come back to the server one more time in late 2016 as UYScutix.
Chapter 2 - Rodeo with Mark
Obsessed with being strict on authoritarian-levels, VJ frequently objected on people's admin applications with lengthy over-dramatic essays for reasons. As you can imagine, this was incredibly obnoxious for many staff members. The straw that broke the camel's back was his vote on an admin application by Savnith, which prompted many staff members to complain to Mark, who then sent a private message to VJ about it on February 18, 2017. To try to curb his behavior, Mark essentially banned him from providing reasoning in his votes on admin applications for the rest of the month.
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markbyron | So it seems your back-tracking and I won't tolerate it: "Seems uyscutix is at it again with his dramatic speech objections. http://totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/49519/s…-sa-application I moved that dramafest to the administrator lounge for review. His behavior seems hypocritical - he says people don't deserve many chances yet has had many himself." I fully agree with that statement and in addition to the warning, you may not post anything on an admin except vouch or object; that sanction is valid until 1 March. If you won't abide by that sanction, I can remove all of your posts or demote. Focus on being positive and do not make drama speeches on admin apps. |
VJ, noticeably offended by this, furiously replied about 30 minutes later, defending himself by noting that Savnith had way more chances than necessary, ranting about how easy it was for people to get admin on the server, and ultimately shifting responsibility onto someone else.
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uyscutix | Is this a joke? Savnith had more than enough chances. My objection was
strong enough- in fact, there was more reasons why I would've objected
but my reason became too long, because he has done so many bad things I
can't list any further. And it's not hypocritical since I never exposed
myself to the public, Savnith however did- if he didn't expose himself
then he would've be fine by me, but he decided to do it and try
scapegoat his exposure to Scarlet (unlike me, who just quietly reported
admins who violated the policy). If he didn't expose himself, I would've
treated him like a noob/newcomer OP; especially since I have no time
and have better things to do then lookup his name on NameMC or find ways
to see if he's Savnith. You can't tell me to be positive about Savnith since the amount of chances he had is a joke. Nobody except people like taahanis (who vouch on almost everybody) trusts him. Majority of us already know his cycle, he keeps posting apologies saying he changes but later on he goes rogue or does something warranting perm suspension. If he gets admin again, I am resigning. Savnith is not ever getting my trust back, I'm all right for 2nd chances; and maybe even 3rd chances. But the amount he had is a joke. |
uyscutix | I know it's been said before, but I think it needs to be said again. People are getting admin way TOO easily. If you tell me it's "volunteer work" or "unpaid job", why don't you just rename the server motd "TotalFreedom - All Admin Server" rather than "All Op"? Clearly that's what the main goal of this server is, to keep looking for admins. We have over 100 admins; and we have admins on 24/7. The goal has been achieved. So we don't need anymore admins. The main goal of this server is to make sure everyone has an OP experience, but the fact that you keep going on approval sprees (because of how easily people get admin) shows that it is not the goal of this server and that it's to have everyone on the server as admin. Savnith wasted all his chances. He doesn't need more. |
Things were getting heated quickly, and Mark tried to diffuse the situation with his next reply by suggesting that if VJ disagrees with him, then he can just leave. Mark also pointed out that Savnith had already screwed his new identity over, so either way he wouldn't have become an admin. Not like it would have mattered, since he also pointed out that the issue is about VJ, not Savnith. This wasn't their first rodeo by a long shot, but Mark didn't want another. So, he issued an ultimatum: cut the shit and stand down or get removed.
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markbyron | now you're going on a drama rant with me - I suggest you immediately
calm down and if you don't agree with the philosophy of how I've run
this server for the last 7 years, you can find a different server.
We've argued this before and it won't be argued again. If savykilo has
properly followed the change of identity policy, he'd probably be an
admin right now but he exposed himself and probably wont get admin now
but no credit whatsover to you. If I became a hard-ass owner, you'd be
the first one I removed because you power-trip and cause dissension with
other admins. This isn't about savykilo; its about you and do you understand what I've told you here? Yes, I understand, No, remove me that's your two choices here. Think about it before you say something you'l regret. |
It didn't work. VJ continued to insist that Savnith and Mark were the ones in the wrong and proceeded to complain about the imbalance of quality admins vs. the quantity of admins and the decline in the server's reputation. He went with the latter option, repeating his argument about how Savnith had been given so many chances and thus cannot be trusted.
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uyscutix | Well then just rename the server motd to "TotalFreedom - All Admin
Server" if you always have a reason to go on Quantity > Quality.
Notice; we have less players on the server compared to 2-3 years ago.
Are you happy about that? We're losing players and players have been
leaving the server due to poor quality administrators. Major admins
especially people like Savnith are not fit for administrator yet you
appear to be a giving chances over and over again. Also FYI, i'm not ranting- i'm pointing out the truth. Because what everything I said is true. Your server has a poor reputation of admins and you actually like having your server's reputation down. 2 years ago we always had a full server on TF; TF was very popular. Nowadays we only get 20/45 players online. |
uyscutix | And no, I'm not accepting it. Feel free to remove me then. I am not ever accepting Savnith being an administrator on the server. I don't think I'm stupid enough to fall for his traps again since he keeps saying he changes when he doesn't. He said this many times and there's always going to be an admin like taahanis out there vouching and supporting him. He proved that he is not trusted since every time everyone thinks he changes for good, he goes rogue. |
This seemed to really piss Mark off, because his next response had an unusually pissed off tone. He argued that the whole point of the identity policy was to prevent rogues like Savnith from getting the admin rank back (which wasn't followed anyways) and that VJ was part of the problem with TF's reputation because he was making public scenes with his complaints instead of keeping them private. He concluded the reply by giving him one last chance to turn back and telling him to "stop writing stump speeches and books".
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markbyron | Savnith would never get admin back - that's why we have a change of identity policy which wasn't followed. You are ranting and you're of course you're part of the problem if there's any reputation problem. If you have complaints, handle in private instead of making a public stink - DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?!!! Last chance vance. |
markbyron | and stop writing stump speeches and books - this is a game server not the military or white house. Just chill. |
VJ still didn't back down. He argued that complaints were being ignored and that it was easy to become admin but hard to get suspended. He challenged Mark to remove him, even after being told the ramifications that followed. He argued he wasn't appreciated as admins and that people like him and Galahad are always working hard to enforce the server rules and have memorized them by heart. Funny.
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uyscutix | No. I'm not accepting it... that's the end. What even is the whole point making complaints anymore? Even if it is via PM, complaints don't get resolved. So many admins I know off make complaints about poor quality admins and you blatantly ignore them, even some OPs have made complaints about our admins. Getting admin is too easy but then it's too hard for them to get suspended. Since you clearly like having immature and abusive admins on your server. Why don't you do me a favour and remove me? You can replace me with having an abusive and immature admin, Savnith as admin. I happen to know the conduct policy off by heart and I am known to be professional to lots of admins. Since you want to get rid of the quality admins and have highly abusive and immature admins, just remove me. |
uyscutix | also don't tell me that this server isn't military or white house. If an OP misconducted, they'd get sanctioned instantly. If an admin however misconducted, they will receive constant warnings. Which is another example to why complaints are now just pointless since they don't get resolved. |
markbyron | savnith isn't getting an admin; you're just using this case to
grandstand and power-trip. When you're not grandstanding, you're a
decent admin and that's why I allowed you back to begin with despite
your habit of causing dissension. Now, if you want to be removed, I'll do but you'll be perm banned for two weeks before you can return. I'll assume this is what you want if I don't get a reply in 30 minutes to change your mind. You might to cool your jets and think about it. |
uyscutix | and don't tell me I'm part of the problem of TF's reputation going down. It's clearly your problem since you're the owner of this server. I'm actually trying to give you advice how to STOP the problem of TF's reputation going down. Quality > Quantity. 100 admins is enough for just a single damn server. 100 admins or more is what is expected on a network server but here it's just for one single server. |
markbyron | assuming you want the removal, I'll post a message that you're leaving
at your personal request and you can return as you wish without penalty.
There will be NO drama |
markbyron | if you have suggestions admin improvements, send to the execs but you're assumptions are wrong as we have a solid process for selecting admins and esp. for promoting them. This is the wrong thread to be arguing about admin quality - answer the question - shall I remove you as requested? |
uyscutix | Remove me. You clearly don't appreciate me as admin. People like me and Galahad are always doing hard work enforcing the server since we are pretty much the only admins who actually memorised the conduct policy off by heart, we did it for our own sake and to show how much we care for the server. People will say that I'm biased that I'm always supporting Galahad, but actually it's the truth. |
Mark gave VJ a way out of the situation, stating that if he wants to help then he should cut the shit with the drama and respect all admins. VJ, changing his mind, finally gave in to Mark's terms. Mark then concluded the PM.
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markbyron | if you want to help, you will not grandstand and you will be respectful of all admins instead of smearing people with your ugly brush - is that clear? |
markbyron | you might memorize the policies but you don't follow them - the admin application response policy for example. Again, you're grandstanding and are hypocritical. |
uyscutix | Yes |
markbyron | i have removed you from forum status - i will take the next steps in minutes if you don't come back correctly. |
markbyron | i took that yes as a commitment on your part to follow my request and I have not removed you. |
markbyron | this thread is finished and I will take your future actions as evidence of whether or not you are going to honor what was said here. In a week, if you have real to the point suggestions (sans grandstanding and smearing) for improving the admin policies, send them via PM to infamas and myself. |
Later that day, VJ conversed with me on Steam about the situation and forwarded me the PM. I do not have those chat logs anymore, unfortunately.
Chapter 3 - The Vote-Off
Resentment towards Marco peaked on May 18, 2017, when VJ created a vote-off against him without consulting with executives and Mark himself (a violation of the policy). Despite the illegitimacy of the vote-off, however, several staff members (current and former) began to hurl hateful abuse at Marco shortly afterwards in-game, repeatedly insulting and attacking him by calling him a shit programmer and all that. The abuse got to the point where he legitimately broke down in the chat.
[17:03:30] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [ADMIN] marcocorriero [STA]: feeling sad and on tears now, because i we tought we are family, all friendly and each other acc
[17:03:43] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [ADMIN] marcocorriero [STA]: accepted each others , and no matters how.
[17:03:54] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [ADMIN] marcocorriero [STA]: no, i dont want to fight again.
When Mark found out about the thread and how Marco was treated, he was not happy. He deleted the thread, temporarily removed VJ from his staff position to get his attention, and sent a private message to multiple staff members who were critical of Marco asking why he shouldn't be a developer. I took the opportunity to give my opinion, and Mark seemed to appreciate it, but noted that Marco took initiative to help the server and explained why he finds that important.
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markbyron | I'd like to know why you think Marco shouldn't be an admin when he taken the initiative to get things done from a dev standpoint. Contrast to Uyscutix (former VJ) who blatantly violates admin policies, loves being a hard case and driving people away. Give me some specifics that Marco need to improve on. I need people that take initiative esp. in dev - even if he's not the one that's doing the coding. |
Video | Here's some things he needs to improve on: 1. I believe he needs to know that just because he is a community developer doesn't mean he has superiority over others - I find him quite bossy in certain situations. 2. He needs to improve his development skills. Although he has brought some ground-breaking features (/v is one example), I believe he needs to have some time to gradually improve his skills in Java - this way, he will have a lower chance in making errors when he's programming which means less time needed for patches. It also means he could possibly improve our current plugin's code. 3. He needs to chill out during certain situations. For example, when the well-known rulebreaker (frequent user) joins the server, Marco gets very paranoid and he has attempted to dedicate his time to wipe them off the surface of the earth. So he just needs to relax a bit (listen to some relaxing music or something). That's all I can think of. Please provide input. |
markbyron | that doesn't like somebody who needs to voted off - if he's a bossy, a senior, exec or myself can readily handle that. Of course he needs to improve dev skills but at least he's taking some initiative. I just wish that people would take a little effort to stop these problems before they blow up and we have a major drama fest. Appreciate your input. |
In more internal channels, he created a thread that detailed exactly why VJ was temporarily removed.
uyscutix absurdly initiated a vote-off outside of the policy - http://totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/24940/v…dmin-policy-aug - i consider uyscutix a constant disruptive force who doesn't practice what he harshly demands of others; I have repeatedly warned him. I temporarily removed him to get his attention. If you have a problem a with a particular admin, handle it properly instead of grinding your personal axe.
I urge you to please follow the admin disciplinary process. http://totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/2046/ad…plinary-process
The goal should be to solve problems at the lowest level and before they get out of hand. Unfortunately I think some rather enjoy the public drama.
The removal itself created a lot of dissent. When the thread was still active, a large majority of people voted to have him removed, so when the vote-off was completely erased and the person behind it was removed, it was viewed by many as complete bullshit and yet another example of Mark defending Marco as much as possible. A few hours after the thread was removed, staff member xRubyMC created a group PM consisting of multiple staff members critical of Marco to discuss it. Many of the people in the PM did not agree with the idea of the group, viewing it as largely unnecessary and potentially disastrous.
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xRubyMC | Hello. I created this PM because of marco is not getting any removals
from the voteoff just because mark is being a bullshit on protecting
marco. We need your reply on how will this end. Me and scutix were having a conversation on why marco won't get any removals. You guys also don't trust marco because of his "coding" skills. Scutix even got suspended because of his "democracy" opinion. Once his forum account is unbanned, he will explain why his opinion got rejected by mark; because marco, he helped mark to do things. He can't even do codes but he even asked Commo to do it since he knows how to code. I'll need anyone to have a long-ass paragraph post if you have anything that have with marco-related. Have any means that you only got. We'll be having a discussion to this only with Anti-Marco admins who doesn't like marco. Hope you understand. |
JJ_Jaguar2000 | There was no need at all to create a group chat with like 20 admins. Because this will be disastrous. It will end up being like a Marco hate group. Which is not what we want. |
xRubyMC | I know, we were having a plan to pm many admins that don't even trust marco. We all know you voted him to remove him. |
xRubyMC | Even though, it's more of an issue regarding everyone's votes being blatantly ignored. |
JJ_Jaguar2000 | Ok. Let me explain. Last night I got carried away a bit. To me I don't really see that many issues with Marco TBH. He may be trying to code something good, or trying to be helpful but it's just not working. I have no idea why I even thought of a voteoff TBH. |
However, there were some people who agreed with the idea and felt that Mark was censoring the majority's opinion, biased, or was trying to cover for Marco in some way.
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Lemon | Apparently the vote off was not in "policy" which I think is bullshit. Who cares if it's not in policy? There are loads of vouches to remove him, and this isn't even his first vote off. |
Unknown #1 | Ah, I thought this would happen. Mark has been hesitant to remove Marco
because he's been biased to him in the past. I think this is absolutely
unfair, and mark needs to listen to other admin's opinions. And about it not being in policy, sure, it isn't in policy, but it's a cover-up to allow mark to continue having Marco on the force. I'm on my phone, so I'll go more-in depth when I get back from school. |
xRubyMC | The reason why [Rylie] and Reflet left because of marco doing something
that we don't even want. All he do was adding weird plugins into the
server but it's shit. I like the old tfm better since it's more
freedom-like. Even though, scutix can explain why his opinion for the vote-off got rejected and got suspended. Mark doesn't care for us and just protecting marco. He's so arrogant to have marco as his pet. |
DarkLynx108 |
If his account wasn't disabled so he is unable to explain |
Lemon |
his account is disabled till his time 6pm today |
Unknown #2 | I saw the vote off, like everyone voted yes. why the fuck isnt he gone he thinks hes a pro coder or some shit and makes terrible additions to the server that mark keeps accepting for whatever reason |
aggelosQQ | I don't wanna have any input but was uyscutix's forum ban and suspension really necessary? |
Robin |
obviously not, it's just plain bias at this point |
Galahad | it was unnecessary. if anything, scutix wasn't being "a dictator" this time. he asked for the other admin's opinions, and they were given. I see why [Rylie] and Reflet left now - and they're right. mark is censoring the opinion of a majority. |
One staff member, MrPerson660, expressed concerns about the nature of this group. He argued it was going too far and that it was looking lot like a "retarded vigilante group" which "ended up backfiring onto its creators" and sternly warned that it would do nothing but cause more trouble. A brutal example of foreshadowing for what would happen in the future.
Quote from MrPerson660Ok, I don't like Marco as much as everyone else but this group chat is too far.
This is looking a lot like that retarded vigilante group a few years ago that ended up backfiring onto the creators. This will do nothing except cause more trouble.
Ruby ultimately caved in, instructing people who want to leave to do so, expressing concern that there might be spies forwarding the group to Mark, and noting that Mark had already warned him not to cause drama on the forums in regards to Marco.
Quote from xRubyMCif you want to leave this conversation, please do. dont want any spies to send and mark already warned me not to make any marco drama related.
bye now
It would seem that Ruby was right to be concerned about spies, because Mark found out about the PM pretty soon afterwards. Clearly frustrated, he asked a select few from the group to be honest with him and give input for how the situation could be resolved. He stressed that while Marco isn't perfect, the person who tried to vote him off is much worse by comparison. After receiving some input from SupItsDillon, Mark made a proposal: give Ruby, VJ, and Marco a 1 week break from the server in an attempt to cool the situation down. Dillon seemed to agree with idea, and Mark put it into place a few minutes later.
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markbyron | So I informed that Uy and Ruby are intent on causing a major disruption
over Uy's misconduct with respect to Marco and sent you PMs. To quote a
senior, "Scutix feels the need to take a dictator role over everyone. He
was the same in his past life. If he didn't get his way, he would
convince the person as much as possible." I agree and I'm not going to
put up with it whether it's with Marco or anybody else. I've asked
numerous people about Marco and they seem the same thing I see -
immature actions at times, a pest at times, and sometimes crosses the
line - a common thing to most any admin - definitely not worthy of
suspensions and invalid vote-offs by somebody who actually is far worse.
I would like your input on how we can resolve this matter but if in the end, you feel you can't stomach how I do business, there's other options. Just be honest with me. If you don't want to reply here, send me a PM separately. |
SupItsDillon | He honestly just needs a day or two break and be told to read over the policies + promise to mature up and stop being annoying. |
markbyron | How about this - a one week or so 'cooling off vacation' for all three (Uy, Ruby, and Marco) and no further sanctions unless warranted. |
SupItsDillon | Sounds great |
markbyron | alright, see totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/51791/cooling-off |
In the official announcement about the breaks, Mark didn't give much detail about the situation in question but did stress that the break was not a sanction but was instead a "cool down".
Three admins will take a short break from the server (Uy, Ruby, Marco) - let's call it cool down and not a sanction or blame game - more like a vacation to let things chill.
Mark clearly wanted to settle the situation once and for all with this solution, but unfortunately for him, it was only just the beginning.
Chapter 4 - The Permanent Ban
The solution Mark tried didn't work out as planned. Him and VJ had yet another rodeo in PMs, and it got pretty heated. In a Skype group with KM_Galahad and DarkLynx108, VJ angrily explained what was happening and expressed a desire for a revolution. Whatever the argument entailed, it must have been spicy because it ended with Mark banning him from the forums.
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UYScutix | what the fuck |
UYScutix | Marco is a DEVELOPER?! |
UYScutix | and he's also released from perm ban -_- |
UYScutix | While I'm still forum banned |
UYScutix | What the fuck |
UYScutix | Mark sent me a PM after getting unbanned, it's so bias |
UYScutix | "if you want admin status back (super to start), you will not be allowed to comment on admin applications (except to vouch) or be publicly negative about any other admin for the next 60 days (server, forum, discord, or anywhere where it gets back to me). You can do basic admin duties on OPs and train other admins if you wish but that's it. Take it or leave it. Read more: http://totalfreedom.boards.net/conversation/4…1#ixzz4hpJDX5Xq" |
UYScutix | Absolutely fucking bias- I'm only allowed to vouch on apps |
UYScutix | lmao |
UYScutix | When I expressed my opinion- he forum banned me again |
UYScutix | That's it. I'm done with this place. |
UYScutix | I'm sick of how this place is ran too. |
UYScutix | We need to begin a revolution for TF. |
Lynx defended Marco's unban from the server, explaining that a change in policy took place which actually properly acknowledges the developers as actual developers. VJ argued that the "new developers" didn't deserve their ranks, reiterated his wishes for a revolution to take place, and once again painted Mark as a tyrant who doesn't listen to anyone's feedback and bans those who question him.
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DarkLynx108 |
because of this http://totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/51873/d…ant-admins-read |
DarkLynx108 | he basically made it so that developers are actually acknowledged as developers now |
UYScutix | tbh none of the new developers deserved their rank |
UYScutix | that Commodore guy wasn't really good either |
UYScutix | but Marco was the worst since marco's plan is to make everything run his way, with his plugins, that no one likes. |
UYScutix | That's it. I'm seriously done with this server. |
UYScutix | We seriously need to begin a revolution on TF, for real this time. |
UYScutix | Paldiu was right |
DarkLynx108 | I mean I don't see how showing the developer's as the dev rank is a bad thing tbh |
DarkLynx108 | Marco has been a dev you know |
UYScutix | not that- |
UYScutix | I mean |
UYScutix | So mark forum banned me again after I questioned him. |
UYScutix | and this is also the reason why mark trusts marco. Because they both share something stupid in common with them. |
UYScutix | marco always bickers when someone corrects him; he thinks he is always perfect. |
UYScutix | and not everyone is perfect |
UYScutix | it's the same with mark- he thinks he is always right |
VJ then elaborated further on the rodeo he had with Mark. Painting himself as the victim of a tyrant, he implied that he was being silenced by Mark for speaking the truth. He even argued that he wasn't out of line, despite wanting to start a revolution against the owner of a block game server.
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UYScutix | he failed to answer my question when I said "then how come last time, the last voteoff by Cow was denied?"- the exec made a voteoff and it won |
UYScutix | mark then forum banned me because I "continued arguing". Sorry but it's the truth |
UYScutix | I guess people aren't allowed to state facts in his world. |
UYScutix | true facts especially |
UYScutix | I even told him "Why do you even have a Voteoff policy if you yourself don't even follow it?" |
UYScutix | Complete bullshit- after the unban, I got 6 PMs. 3 of them were by mark |
DarkLynx108 | wow |
UYScutix | and he said I am 'out of order' |
UYScutix | lol- out of order for beginning a revolution of democracy? |
UYScutix | PM said "You're starting to get on my nerves, you had no right to initiate a vote-off" |
UYScutix | I'm done with this place and the way it's ran. |
UYScutix | if Paldiu were here- I'd wish to tell him before he went inactive again. |
UYScutix | since Paldiu also agreed and wants to begin a revolution on TF. |
VJ then goes on to ramble about how the server's various issues and complained about the lack of a democracy and describes how vote-offs would work under his leadership.
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UYScutix | Galahad is strict but still fine |
UYScutix | But for me- this server is an insult to see how it's ran |
DarkLynx108 | I see |
UYScutix | Right now, we still have unresolved voteoffs that keep getting blatantly denied because of biasness |
UYScutix | in mark's world, anyone who codes need the highest rank they could possibly get. |
UYScutix | there was another example, but can't remember who it was |
DarkLynx108 | well you DO need a high rank to be able to actually implement code |
UYScutix | mark automatically approved an OP for admin because they helped "fix a bug" without making an app |
UYScutix | however, for devs like marco- even if they need a high rank, that doesn't mean they have no rules to follow. Because marco misconducts on purpose as he knows he is immune to suspensions by the owner |
UYScutix | he probably knows by now that he'll never get suspended |
UYScutix | 2 blatantly denied voteoffs, and he said "the seniors failed again" |
DarkLynx108 | -_- |
DarkLynx108 | that is pretty bad |
UYScutix | ikr |
UYScutix | in fact, he's been becoming more of a troll lately |
UYScutix | when someone tells him to stop misconducting, he now thinks it's funny. |
UYScutix | he probably now knows he's immune to voteoffs after what he said |
UYScutix | I really hate that NOTE at the bottom of the voteoff policy |
UYScutix | that note literally gets rid of the democracy. |
UYScutix | In my world, ANYONE would be allowed to make a voteoff, anytime- as long as the voteoff is for an admin a rank lower than them. |
Mark ended up permanently banning VJ from the entire server the next day. In the thread which announced the ban, Mark details his frustrations with VJ and his behavior before concluding the thread by saying "this is game server, not a military camp". The wording in the thread implies that Mark just said "fuck it" and banned VJ from the server.
uyscutix (formerly VJ who was also perm banned) is no longer welcome on Total Freedom. I'll simply ref http://totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/51860/s…wner-break-back and he just wanted to argue with me and accuse others of what he himself is doing. I had hoped the new incarnation of VJ as Uyscutix would be better and he was for a time but as he progressed up the ranks, he reverted and so if he wants to return, he'll have to try again from scratch with a new identity. Maybe it would be better for him to run and own his server because that's what he really wants - to own it. This is a game server not a military camp; you can't be a hard-case with double-standards and hope to successful here; at least not with me.
Of course, VJ caught word very quickly after Lynx notified him about the thread's existence while he was ranting about the ban. Naturally curious, he asked for details about the thread (where it was, its contents, etc).
User | Message |
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UYScutix | even with less players, mark is STILL in an approving spree lmao |
DarkLynx108 | (clap) |
UYScutix | it disgusts me |
UYScutix | even worse when he told me that PM |
UYScutix | he said I am not allowed to comment on apps except vouches |
UYScutix | Yeah... no- not happening. He said "take it or leave it", I leave it. |
UYScutix | probably another reason why he re-banned me |
DarkLynx108 | he made a notice |
UYScutix | that is literally dictatorship- he is dictating my vote on what I am and not allowed to vote |
UYScutix | ? |
DarkLynx108 | saying that uyscutix is now a forbidden name to use along with your old VJ name |
DarkLynx108 | so if you wanted to come back you need to change your name again |
UYScutix | did he make a thread? |
UYScutix | I wanna see a screenshot. |
UYScutix | this is also the reason why mark trusts marco. because they both share something stupid in common with themselves. mark and marco both don't like if someone speaks up for themselves. |
DarkLynx108 | uyscutix (formerly VJ who was also perm banned) is no
longer welcome on Total Freedom. I'll simply ref
http://totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/51860/s…wner-break-back and
he just wanted to argue with me and accuse others of what he himself is
doing. I had hoped the new incarnation of VJ as Uyscutix
would be better and he was for a time but as he progressed up the ranks,
he reverted and so if he wants to return, he'll have to try again from
scratch with a new identity. Maybe it would be better for him to run and
own his server because that's what he really wants - to own it. This is a game server not a military camp; you can't be a hard-case with double-standards and hope to successful here; at least not with me. Read more: http://totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/51875/a…t#ixzz4hulCJ6bg |
UYScutix | what section is it in? |
UYScutix | the Admin Lounge? |
DarkLynx108 | ye |
VJ then began to give his commentary on the post itself, claiming that Mark was exaggurating what he was doing (even though that's literally what he himself was doing) and once again reiterated his wishes for a revolution.
In a Discord conversation with a user named Kookie, VJ discussed what happened from his point of view, explained why he felt it was bullshit, and reiterated that he wanted a revolution. He directly mentioned that he had another rodeo with Mark and even includes an excerpt from one of the replies he made in the PM.
User | Message |
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UYScutix | Alright. bad news |
UYScutix | a lot of BS rn on tf |
UYScutix | Marco is now officially a developer (developer rank on forum, i.e. purple name) |
UYScutix | he got released from perm ban |
Kookie | tf |
Kookie | he asked me a favor to return on tf. im not going to there anymore |
Kookie | looks like u have to use a new identity |
UYScutix | who showed you that screenshot |
UYScutix | it's in the admin lounge |
Kookie | i got unbanned lol |
UYScutix | We need to begin a revolution on TF- this is a joke. He's using "this isn't a military camp" as an excuse to just let blatant trolls stay |
Kookie | you're permbanned tho |
UYScutix | yeah |
UYScutix | I'll tell you what happened |
UYScutix | I was actually unbanned on the forum yesterday |
Kookie | and you caused a ruckus again? |
Kookie | or you actually wanted to have an opinion on mark? |
UYScutix | but as Typh and Reflet said, mark relies on censorship. He then re-banned me because I was telling the truth lmao |
UYScutix | I had an opinion |
Kookie | lmao |
UYScutix | and he thinks I am "arguing" |
Kookie | i made a long-ass paragraph on the warning pm lmao |
UYScutix | Also, when he sent me the PM about "you have no right to initiate a voteoff", I replied "Why? You yourself broke the policy, yet you come up to me and say I don't have the right to voteoff. Why do you even have a voteoff policy if you yourself don't even follow it?" |
Kookie | sec. im replying to mark atm |
UYScutix | let me know what you say - and let me know what mark says 😉 |
UYScutix | people aren't allowed to have opinions in his world - he expects people like us to keep quiet because he doesn't want the truth to be revealed |
Following this, Kookie posted multiple screenshots of his argument with Mark, though none of the images were linked in the export. VJ's response does paint a very vague picture about what the argument was like. The conversation ended very shortly afterwards.
User | Message |
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UYScutix | I like how even when you expressed your feelings friendly, mark still showed hostility and saying at the end "If not, take your leave" |
Kookie | ya. hes so strict now. in the past, he was kind |
UYScutix | he's not strict |
UYScutix | well he is but in the wrong way |
Kookie | the server changed so much |
UYScutix | ikr |
Shortly after this conversation ended, Pramire (then known as Ivengix) created a thread in the Telnet Clan Lounge expressing concerns that some of the admins on TotalFreedom were celebrating its possible shutdown on UnraveledMC, an associated server with a rapidly deteriorating relationship that harbored many former staff members and players who were suspended, banned, or otherwise disillusioned with the way Mark ran the place.
Mark responded by moving the thread to a much more internal board, removing and banning two staff members (Rylie and Robin) and revoking the associated status of UnraveledMC. VJ noticed the new entries in the permanent ban list (as the list was publicly available for everyone at the time) and was understandably confused, so he asked around to try to figure out what happened. He got his answer pretty quickly.
User | Message |
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UYScutix | wtf |
UYScutix | what's going on on TF? |
UYScutix | I just checked the perm ban list literally RIGHT NOW. and Lionnco and Robin's name were just added only seconds ago |
UYScutix | wtf- Mafrans and Wart are also perm banned |
DarkLynx108 | Robin, Cyro and Lionnco all left during the 24 hour break |
DarkLynx108 | and apparently there have been reports of Cyro hacking TF again |
UYScutix | meh |
UYScutix | oh |
UYScutix | I just spoke with Pramire now |
UYScutix | he said Robin and Lionn got perm banned regarding something on UMC |
DarkLynx108 | I'm checking now |
DarkLynx108 | it is |
DarkLynx108 | Robin and Lionnco were talking |
DarkLynx108 | and Typh was also there too |
UYScutix | what happened after |
DarkLynx108 | and GradeAAlligator |
UYScutix | who's that? |
DarkLynx108 | AcetoneAlligator* |
As you would expect, VJ used the situation to further his agenda that Mark was a tryannical dictator, but was interrupted by Lynx to clarify the situation.
User | Message |
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UYScutix | This is getting out of hands- mark is now going out of his way and PERM BANNING anyone who has opinions against him. |
UYScutix | First me, then Chanyeol.. etc |
UYScutix | Complete BS |
DarkLynx108 | oh |
DarkLynx108 | Cyro decided to take the break himself |
DarkLynx108 | he didn't get suspended |
UYScutix | oh |
DarkLynx108 | so its just Robin and Lionnco |
DarkLynx108 | and Acetone Alligator |
UYScutix | what happened to Mafrans? |
DarkLynx108 | idk |
Mark created a thread in the Super Admin Lounge a few hours later formally announcing his decision and stating that advertising UnraveledMC is not allowed on the forums nor server.
The following admins are removed and banned until 1 July: rylie. & ?Robin.
I'm also removing UMC from associated server status until at least 1 July and will have to re-apply after that date if they wish to be associated again. This was done based on evidence that provided on the Telnet Clan forum - I won't re-print it here although I'm sure it's been around. I've always supported associated servers and encourage them but when they're used against TF, to sew TF admin unrest, to undermine TF, or to profit from our loss, they don't need to be associated. Associated servers should support each and not work against each other. UMC can now do what they wish however if you're an admin on that server and use it to cause trouble for TF, bash TF/TF admins or admit to engaging in misconduct on TF, make sure nobody is gong to pass that information to me or here. Once it's posted here or given to me, than you're subject to admin rules of respect & conduct here. Again, if you can't stomach how I do business here or you think most of the admins are bad or too many, etc., just leave in peace and go to an associated server or unaffiliated server or somewhere else and have enough respect not to cause any problems for TF. The same holds true for associated servers; if you don't like them, don't cause problems for them. I know people must think it's easy & great to be a server owner but it's far from easy and I respect other server owners - I hope they can respect me. Also, UMC may not be advertised here or on the server.
Within an hour, VJ restarted the conversation he had with Kookie to briefly discuss it.
User | Message |
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UYScutix | So several more admins just got added to perm ban: Lionnco, Robin, Wart, Mafrans |
UYScutix | Mark appears to be perm banning anyone against him. |
Kookie | tf. how |
UYScutix | some said they left too |
Kookie | mark removed UMC from associated |
UYScutix | yeah |
UYScutix | that's what I was about to explain with lion and robin |
UYScutix | one person said some stuff happened on umc with lionn and robin, which got them perm banned and removed |
Chapter 5 - New Management
On June 3, Mark made an official announcement on the ProBoards forum that surprised a lot of people: they were switching forums. Some people were supportive of the move, but others questioned and even criticized the implementation of the new forum. Because the majority still prefered ProBoards over MyBB, Mark backpedaled and ultimately gave up on switching forums.
Quote from WickedGamingUKWhat's the point in having a separate domain for this? forum.totalfreedom.me or something similar would be a lot better.
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I'm not using this until the Night Sky theme is ported.
But other than that, some constructive criticism:
This was very poorly executed. A very random move that probably took a day to set up.
You chose a random forum platform riddled with vulnerabilities (chances are, anyone could SQL/PHP inject it).
Second, how are all the features going to be ported to a MyBB forum? You would have to develop them before you can quickly just move an entire forum to a new one on a completely different platform.
Third, I'm not creating an account for this at all until I have the ability to see how you deal with passwords, as well as implement TLS (you can get a free certificate, it's easy, there's no excuse not to). I know, this forum doesn't have TLS, but since that was one of the reasons why you didn't want this forum you have no excuse not to implement it. I can at least trust it deals with passwords correctly since its a big company (hopefully... 000webhost, adobe, yahoo). I'd like to see the hash algorithm being used, as well as the PHP code used to receive and insert account data into the database so that we can all know that it's secure (god damn if prepare isn't being used).
Fourth, what happens to the history on this forum? You have to find a way to export forum data and import it into MyBB, I'd rather deal with the nonexistent (adblock?) ads than see all the threads and posts be deleted.
Fifth, the least you could do is transfer all the themes to the new forum (nightsky pls) and make it look more like this forum because I can't stand the 'metro' style where everything is 'zoomed in' so that 90 year olds can read it.
Sixth, why do drastic? Again this seems like some random decision made in a day. This forum has been suitable for pretty much everyone for years, who cares if there are a few problems that occur one day? It's backed by a company who can be trusted to repair the problems as soon as it can, I don't even want to imagine the type of problems you could get into in a new forum with amateur web developers (not an insult, that's the definition of the word).
Seventh, finally, you decided this because of a few forum problems that appear to be completely solved, as well as ads which I have never even seen. Again, I don't even want to imagine what type of problems you could get into by creating a new forum. Maybe the database will fail and all the posts are gone, or the forum will be destroyed completely. There's no confidence or trust.
To sum it all up, this was a fairly poorly made decision and it could easily go downhill from here.
Later that same day, Mafrans created a thread that outlined multiple reasons why he believed the server was dying. Within less than two hours, the thread racked up about 6 pages worth of replies before Mark locked it and sent it to the Recycle Bin. You can view the full thread here.
Because a good chunk of the people who commented on the thread were Senior Admins at the time, the next day Mark moved the thread out of the Recycle Bin into the Senior Admin Lounge and then created a new thread titled "Open Senior Discussion". This thread intended to address some of the points made in the other thread and ultimately tried to work out solutions to the problems the server had with the Senior Admins. The discussion was mostly respectful and continued up until June 5 at around 8 AM.
Galahad had informed VJ of something going on behind the scenes, so he asked Lynx in the Skype group about it because he wasn't exactly sure what was going on.
User | Message |
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UYScutix | Lynx |
UYScutix | Galahad told me there's a lot of shitstorm happening rn on the forums |
UYScutix | Can you show me some screenshots pls? C: |
UYScutix | she said she's on her phone so she can't do it |
DarkLynx108 | to start with |
DarkLynx108 | they're wanting to move forums |
UYScutix | yea- I saw when I logged in with the secret forum account I registered under a proxy server to bypass mark's ban lol |
UYScutix | I'd agree about the people against the new forum thing |
DarkLynx108 | then there has been senior talk and mark said you again |
UYScutix | oooo |
DarkLynx108 | On a different subject, i see that we have an argument going and without
blaming one or the other, this is the kind of thing I'm talking about -
needling, bickering, & hyper-critical. If senior can't respect each
other, can't expect the lower ranks to. I won't talk about a senior
here but I'm not a fan of so called 'strict' admins such as uyscutix (vj)
- hard-nosed, divisive, power seeking, double standards, undermining,
and so on. That kind of stuff drives people away - this is game server not a military camp. How many times do I have to say it's a game server - let's relax and drop the hyper-critical needling. Read more: http://totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/52231/o…3#ixzz4jA72NN38 |
UYScutix | Show me a screenshot where mark mentioned me again |
UYScutix | k |
UYScutix | and that was in the senior lounge? |
DarkLynx108 | ye |
VJ inquired further about the thread, and ultimately repeated how he felt about Mark once again. Like a broken record, this dude wouldn't shut the fuck up about it. It wouldn't matter much though, because Mark's time as the owner ran out soon enough. On June 6, Mark announced that he was going to be transfering ownership of the server to Windows (who was the Executive Security Officer at the time) and thanked everyone for a great 7 years.
Display MoreWay back in 2009, I was an active player in the Second Life (SL) virtual world platform and one of my virtual SL pals was Madgeek; a coder who made and sold virtual weapons and other really creative gadgets. One day he told me was really into playing this new game called Minecraft and when I first check it out, I thought it was a step back from SL and didn't think I would pursue it but than I realized I could have my own server - own a world so to speak. In SL, having the equivalent of your own server would cost big money while a Minecraft server was a fraction and so I started the server in 2010 but it was pretty much empty.
I wondered how I could get people to come on and that's when it dawned on me that I needed to offer something that other servers didn't offer. So I got this idea of doing a creative all-OP server with no cost or donations. It became an instant hit and I even had two servers going at one point; a nether only "hell" home server and a regular overworld small slot on Multiplay which I called Total Freedom. Eventually as Minecraft changed to allow portals between worlds and so I cut it to one server. The problem with the all-OP concept was of course griefing and chaos but Madgeek being a coder stepped into create what we know as the TotalFreedomMod (TFM) which allowed for our present admin / op structure plus the rest of it's capabilities.
In 2012, Finest created what was perhaps the most important sustaining feature of Total Freedom; the forum that were using right now. With the forum, we were able to track history, have organization, policies, and most importantly, get to know each other and establish friendships camaraderie, a sense of community. Without the forum, TF the server wouldn't have lasted. Even so, I couldn't have imagined that the server would continue for these many years but what kept me going was the amazing people who became part of TF from the execs to the OPs, and it was gratfiying to know that some found that the experiences of TF improved their real-life or at least helped them to deal with real-life in a better way. I was also pleased that I could encourage others to start their TF like servers with our associated server program and become owners themselves.
So for the past 7 years, I pretty much spent at least some amount of time on TF or the forum nearly every day even if it just for a few minutes. Last month, I had closed the server for day out of frustration with admin drama. In fact, my real frustration was having to be an owner and while I wish TF was a like a self-driving car, it doesn't work that way. I'm simply tired of steering the ship and I need to let it go for the sake of me and for the benefit of TF.
So I'm pleased to announce that my final decision as the owner of Total Freedom is to hand over the ownership to Windows. I've found Windows to be mature, level headed, open minded, and no doubt he'll take TF wherever it might go in the future without being anchored by my past decisions or policies. I know he's not planning to fire the senior staff or admins but beyond that, he's got the wheel from this point forward. At some point, there's likely to be a new hosting of the server (i.e. not Multiplay) and the final decision for the new forum will be between him and Finest.
As for my future, I'll continue on the founder and I'll follow the advice that I give long-timer semi-active seniors - to just be a wise old hand but I won't be involved in owner or executive matters. I will also continue to do essential administrative matters (clearing maps, perm bans, ban list purges, clan support, etc) until hosting is transferred or until Windows directs otherwise.
So while Windows has the wheel, the future of TF is collectively in your hands. I hope it succeeds and grows but any case, it's been a great 7 years and a big thank you to all of you; from the very first person to be on TF (takogrrl) to my long serving executives, and to all the past & current staff and members of Total Freedom.
This was the first time in the server's history that something like this happened.