Remove the filter for /tag set

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    Reasons why we should remove the /tag set filter:

    1. The community is against it

    It's clear that the community is against filters (see Add the ChatManager plugin and Enforce Better Chat Restrictions). However, /tag set has a filter and I believe we should apply our principles consistently.

    2. The Scunthorpe problem

    You cannot enter words containing "sra", "tca", "sta", and "sa" due to the filter. Because of this words like: "Stable" are blocked.


    List of words containing "sra": https://www.bestwordlist.com/m/s/3/wordswithsra.htm

    List of words containing "tca": https://www.bestwordlist.com/m/t/3/wordswithtca.htm

    List of words containing "sta": https://www.bestwordlist.com/m/s/3/wordswithsta.htm

    List of words containing "sa": https://www.bestwordlist.com/m/s/2/wordswithsa.htm


    Thanks to tag filter, all of the words above are blocked, even if they don't communicate any position that a player might not have on the server.

    Edited 5 times, last by characterslimits: Added additonal arguments ().

    No.


    This in my opinion is a weak argument… ‘we dont have filters elsewhere so why should we here’


    it just makes life easier. its also harder to communicate to new players that words such as ‘SrA’ or such is banned, whereas tfm does it auto

    Hardcore object


    What exactly are you trying to get out of this? People always try to set their tag as Owner, or Admin, or whatnot and an average player can never tell if they are a legitimate staff member or not. That's why we have those filters so that no one can pose as fake admins.

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    object -- chat filtering isn't something we need, but filtering tags actually has benefits here.


    ya can't just set your tag to something like [Owner] or [Admin] and trying to do a variation of that (like [0wner] is clear enough that said person is not actually the owner.

    Quote from Luke

    it just makes life easier. its also harder to communicate to new players that words such as ‘SrA’ or such is banned, whereas tfm does it auto

    I feel like there's a better solution to this rather than a blanket banning of certain words and phrases (I haven't came up with one yet. For anyone, not just to Luke, feel free to suggest a solution by replying to this thread).


    Also that message That tag contains a forbidden word. is not newbie friendly at all. Because newbies may question "Which word exactly?"

    Quote from gamingto12

    What exactly are you trying to get out of this?

    I want the Scunthorpe problem to be no more, words like "stable" are blocked because it contains the phrase "sta"


    List of words containing "sra": https://www.bestwordlist.com/m/s/3/wordswithsra.htm

    List of words containing "tca": https://www.bestwordlist.com/m/t/3/wordswithtca.htm

    List of words containing "sta": https://www.bestwordlist.com/m/s/3/wordswithsta.htm

    List of words containing "sa": https://www.bestwordlist.com/m/s/2/wordswithsa.htm


    Thanks to tag filter, all of the words above are blocked, even if they don't communicate any position that a player might not have on the server.

    Quote from root

    but filtering tags actually has benefits here.

    Disagree, please see my reply to gamingto12.

    Edited 3 times, last by characterslimits: I haven't came up with one yet ().

    Tbh I vouch.


    If someone actually wants to impose as a staff member, they usually bypass one of these measures with a subtle typo like "Admln" or incorporate the tag into their nickname to get around it. Like all filters, it's not that effective, and I've seen it all.


    They're also usually pretty quickly shut down since if there's more than one player on the server, there's also either a staff member around, or someone who knows the server enough to see through the impersonation.


    Especially I vouch further because most of the blocked phrases are for redundant staff roles we don't have anymore. There's no point preventing people from having the acronym for "telnet clan admin" when that has not been a thing for at least two years.

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    May I propose an alternative suggestion where we keep the filter, but change it so the blocked phrases must be an EXACT match in order for it to be blocked?


    For example, only check for exact occurances of "sa" not if "sa" is included in any words.

    Quote from characterslimits

    May I propose an alternative suggestion where we keep the filter, but change it so the blocked phrases must be an EXACT match in order for it to be blocked?


    For example, only check for exact occurances of "sa" not if "sa" is included in any words.

    it's been a hot minute since ive been a non-admin, so i could be misremembering here, but isn't that what it currently does?

    Quote from root
    Quote from characterslimits

    May I propose an alternative suggestion where we keep the filter, but change it so the blocked phrases must be an EXACT match in order for it to be blocked?


    For example, only check for exact occurances of "sa" not if "sa" is included in any words.

    it's been a hot minute since ive been a non-admin, so i could be misremembering here, but isn't that what it currently does?


    Nope, set your tag to "Catcaller" and notice it's blocked because it contains "tca"

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    Quote from characterslimits

    blocked phrases must be an EXACT match in order for it to be blocked?

    That sounds even more bypassable than the current system we have.

    Pick your poison:

    • Strict filter: Difficult to bypass, high risk of false positives.
    • Lenient filter: Low risk of false positives, easy to bypass.

    Unfortunately, due to the limitations of technology (as of right now), you cannot have the best of both.

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    Quote from videogamesm12

    That sounds even more bypassable than the current system we have.

    Pick your poison:

    • Strict filter: Difficult to bypass, high risk of false positives.
    • Lenient filter: Low risk of false positives, easy to bypass.

    Unfortunately, due to the limitations of technology (as of right now), you cannot have the best of both.

    Easily a strict filter, false negatives are way more detrimental than a false positive.

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