Let's talk about guns

civilians arent allowed to own guns in my country

i think guns are pretty cool

guns should be legal for hunting purposes because if someone can kill you from 1km away at the click of a switch that's fucked up, atleast with knives you stand a chance

we dont have guns in the UK and we have no shootings uh maybe america should do that

I have no issues with guns

↩  NotPetya This is false.

↩  Miwojedk wdym we have heavily regulated guns and like 0 shootings fr

↩  NotPetya miwo will cite the Plymouth shooting and attempt to say that is somehow normal or anywhere near the level of shootings America experiences.

i would like to keep my sanity during exam season so I won’t respond to any actual arguments but this is just me telling you how they will try and make the uk sound much worse than it is

↩  RedEastWood

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miwo will cite the Plymouth shooting and attempt to say that is somehow normal or anywhere near the level of shootings America experiences.

No. I just found it absurd to blatantly state that there are no issues with shootings in any country.

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↩  Miwojedk This is false.

Since the Plymouth shooting on August 12 2021, there have been 531 mass shootings in the US, resulting in the deaths of 575 people.

And in between the two most recent shootings in the UK, the 12 August 2018 Moss Side shooting and 12 August 2021 Plymouth shooting, there were 1,588 shootings in the US - and each year they have become more frequent. I haven't looked into death statistics in the US for this period since I'm on mobile and the US has a separate article for each year which makes navigation quite difficult.

Even if you adjust for the US having 5 times more people, there are still 150x more shootings in the same time period - and the period I sampled was made to intentionally include 2 shootings in the UK.

Obviously there still are shootings, but the regulations the UK has makes them much fewer and further between.

↩  erin Not defending Miwo but just stirring up convo, those numbers don't check out. A mass shooting is more than 4 people so 531 mass shootings resulting in 575 deaths would be impossible

↩  Noah
There's a difference between a mass shooting and a mass killing. I went by the numbers written on Wikipedia, which seem to have the same rule but involve people being shot and not just killed.

I see your point but I personally wasn't up for sifting through all the raw data - and the 2018 shooting I referenced in the UK had 0 fatalities.

↩  erin What's your solution to ending the issues with guns in the US is?

↩  Miwojedk get rid of gun

↩  Noah How? There are more guns than people in circulation in the US

↩  Miwojedk

That's a question I can't answer.

More regulation and stricter control sounds good on paper, but there are multiple caveats. Mainly the huge number of firearms owned by people who, under this new hypothetical legislation, aren't allowed to own them. Hard to just take them off the people especially as they presumably aren't gonna just hand them over all the time.

There's also other issues such as the potential black market - one of the reasons why tobacco isn't banned.

So while I do support the idea, I accept it would be very difficult to legislate.

↩  erin Stop selling ammo, then wait.

↩  Noah Then people would stockpile ammo or buy ammo from the black market

↩  MagAgentV3 Then dont warn people

ok from here on, no more funny "OH DEAR THIS THREAD IS GONNA BE A SHITSHOW". its not quirky anymore yes its TF its gonna be a shit show eventually once the fuckin uni thesis's come in n shit but thats not right now