Allow people to advertise once per hour on Discord

i'd like to hear the reasoning behind why advertising is allowed ingame but on on discord, ill make a decision on my vote after that

edit: now voting object, see ryan's reply to this message

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↩  enchy It's always been frowned upon, however it's basically impossible to prevent people to advertise in game, so the 1-hour cooldown was added. Or at least it's how Ryan explained it in staff channels before the Purge.

Almost forgot: community guidelines don't allow advertisement on any platform, game server included. Or do they?

↩  enchy Because the reality is we don't really like advertising in game but it's been a legacy rule we never changed. Also the advertising rules are no longer the same since the new community guldienes and generally speaking network wide advertising is heavily frowned upon.

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↩ @'Ryan' network wide advertising is heavily frowned upon.

Why

↩  Ivan Because advertising is pretty shitty for users and ultimately it takes players away from our community more often than not.

↩ @'Ryan' Okay but haven’t we advertised our server on platforms before? Like let our platform help out others what the fuck

Object I don't believe allowing advertising can be beneficial to TF's growth.

↩  Ivan We (afaik) only have advertised on advertising sites, not random servers. Very different thing.

↩  characterslimits Given how poor our retention is, most players don't come back according to the metrics. Advertising isn't going to help that.

As I say advertising in game is no longer really permitted at all anyway as per the updated community guidelines.

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vouch want to advertise
FOR (Freedom Origin Survival Multiplayer)

I personally object. Discord has a lot of people who just go through disboard and use your server to advertise theirs. I know it's happened in game but it's even more common on discord.

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It's cool to see what members of the community are up to with their own projects, TF related or not, and I would argue strengthens the community.

To give some context, advertising other servers ingame was historically allowed once per 10 minutes. This was simply an exercise of the freedom concept: it's allowed as long as you don't harm others, and one message per 10 minutes is strict enough for that. Mark had another reason as well: communities that spawn off of TotalFreedom (i.e. not random spammers) are very likely to lead people back to us just by association, which is actually beneficial.

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object due to Stevens reasoning

I Object. Steven's explanation gives a good reason why advertising was historically permitted, but TF is not a place to be advertising unrelated communities and it should not be allowed on any platforms other than in locations that could be designed with that purpose in mind.