Require people to state a reason to vote

characterslimits · September 10, 2021 at 2:03 AM

Currently, Hub Mod applications have a requirement you must state your reason on why you voted. This suggestion is to extend it to all current and future applications, and ban appeals. In order to vote, you must state a valid reason on why you decided to vouch, object, or went neutral. In order for the reason to be considered "valid", it must be based on the person's character and not your opinion of the person ("vouch, i like this person" or "object! i hate this person" are not valid reasons) and your reason cannot also be based on another person's vote ("vouch because vouched", "object because objected", "vouch/object due to 's reasons", and copy and pasted reasons are also not valid)

ALTERNATIVE SUGGESTION:
Instead of completely nullifying people who didn't state a reason, we just give extra weight for those who did instead.

isaac · September 10, 2021 at 2:40 AM

Honestly, neutrals should be paid more attention to because it pains to see someone putting a bare "Neutral" on something important without stating why.

**lyicx** · September 10, 2021 at 4:46 AM

↩ @'_97' i would honestly go as far to say currently neutrals with no reason behind it are powerposting. if you aint got a reason to state a neutral, dont fucking vote

and i've been trying to push for this in my event host applications but unfortunately i dont feel like i've been listened to. ill likely go through them all tomorrow and make an actual thread about it

You! · September 10, 2021 at 7:04 AM

This doesn’t stop people going ‘object due to this person’s reasons’ when they don’t like the person

Miwojedk · September 10, 2021 at 7:07 AM

Object

dillon · September 10, 2021 at 10:36 AM

Object

Zarcana · September 10, 2021 at 10:46 AM

Vouch, but also require people to not use "object due to this person's reasons" or "vouch due to this person's reasons" because people are going to do that if they're just vouching/objecting out of liking/disliking the applicant.

enchy · September 10, 2021 at 8:37 PM

object
if you want my reasoning for voting a certain way then look at the 20 other comments that explain it

hapi · September 10, 2021 at 8:50 PM

i love the fucking irony on this thread

enchy · September 10, 2021 at 11:18 PM

↩ Zarcana copy paste is a thing

fleshly · September 11, 2021 at 3:06 AM

↩ Miwojedk ↩ @'dillon ' there are so many layers of irony behind these replies holy shit

zeseryu · September 11, 2021 at 6:03 AM

object

ThePyroManActualAccount · September 11, 2021 at 7:41 AM

object

**lyicx** · September 11, 2021 at 9:05 AM

↩ enchy to be fair "Object for 's reasoning" works fine in that regard

if i haven't already, im vouching i believe informative votes ends up with a more better verdict in these cases

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!i felt the need to call someone a dickhead

enchy · September 11, 2021 at 4:42 PM

↩ lyicx yea i guess
im still traumatized from people saying "switching to object for 's reasoning" on my mb application

characterslimits · September 26, 2021 at 11:13 PM

Here's an alternative suggestion for the people who objected:
Would you vouch if instead of completely nullifying votes, we just give the votes who did state a reason extra weight instead?

**Alco_Rs11** · September 27, 2021 at 4:49 PM

I Object.

**StevenNL2000** · September 29, 2021 at 9:23 AM

↩ characterslimits "Vouch for the reasons above" and "Vouch because I like you" would both get through that. If you don't want to accept those, someone needs to judge when a reason is valid and when it isn't. Also see https://forum.totalfreedom.me/d/2484-the-application-threshold.

**videogamesm12** · October 11, 2021 at 12:53 PM

Please be advised, I am writing this as I'm about to go to bed at 5 AM. I apologize if I sound incoherent.

The way I see things, in systems where votes are evaluated based on reason, the number of votes become irrelevant as the weight of one's argument becomes the deciding factor. In my rather subjective opinion, arguments that actually provide a different viewpoint carry more weight than votes "for the reasons above". The reason why is simple: the former usually brings something new to the table, while the other is just like adding a single piece of paper on top of the original.

Akefu-Brewer · October 13, 2021 at 11:29 PM

From what I have seen, the petitions on this server go by a vouch:object ratio, but nobody gives anyone reasoning behind their vote, we cannot see bias through a single word This is why we should make a modification. If your gonna vouch/object, you are required to give valid reasoning, this would promote a quality over quanity and make people stray away from bias because it would be more easily sensible. Ask yourselves, when ya'll unban players because of a high vouch count, do they really stay unbanned for long? No! The only way to be certain that a right decision is being made would be requiring evidence and reasoning to a vouch/object. Thoughts?

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