Application process policy draft

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@elmon#19890 Appreciate any feedback,
the EAO team

the formalities are making me fucking cringe

ok so this is actually quite more specific compared to other policies listed here. one loophole i should keep quiet put point out anyway is

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3 recommendations from 3 different Senior Administrators, Executives or the Owner.

i can fucking rec myself for senior by this logic lol

Does the 30 or 60 days of playtime mean just 30 or 60 days of logging in? Seems like this would be the way but could just be made a bit clearer especially with playtime being used as the total time spent on the server more often than not.

@elmon#19890 this is just badly worded, or..?

@Folfy_Blue#19904 I think he means, if you currently possess a senior recommendation, the required total playtime would only be 30 days - however the required total playtime would be 60 with a normal admin recommendation.

@Shdwo#19905 Nobody in the current log has 30 days of playtime

@Folfy_Blue#19907 I've a funny feeling it's 30 days of playing on the server rather than 30 days total time on the server. It's just not well worded.

@Erin#19908 That's true, this was one of our old policies that mark had in place before Plan.

• Suggesting a title for the application thread is useless because no one sticks to it, unless you want to actually want to start denying applications on a technicality.
• Being a member of the Discord server is not a requirement you can set because it is currently possible for an admin to be temporarily banned from the Discord server without being suspended ingame.
• You give yourself the ability to approve an application early if it has "overwhelming approval", but not to deny it early if it obviously doesn't meet the requirements
• The way the text is formatted makes it seem like the rule about applicants responding to questions only applies to Admin applications and not Senior Admin applications.
• You did not define anywhere what "70% Approval" actually means. Is it the ratio of vouches to objections? Can I go neutral, and if so, how does that affect approval? If I leave a positive comment on an application but don't vouch, does that count towards approval?

Why is there a difference between a recommendation for Admin vs. Senior Admin?

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In the event of the recommending admin being removed; if they were not removed for misconduct & the application was submitted before they were removed, their recommendation remains valid.

For Senior Administrator Applications, if they are removed before the voting window starts, then the recommendation is no longer valid.

If an Admin is only removed for inactivity, then why shouldn't their vote continue to count if made when they were Admin?

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A player holding the master builder position [Can vote]

Why do MBs get special privileges in this regard? Could jwmphall (can't recall if they're still MB) then vote?

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A player that is active on the forums & is not indefinitely banned from the server.
A player that is active in-game.
A player that is active on discord & is not indefinitely banned from the server.

Why do you require people to be active in order to vote? The application is meant as a discussion board with arguments put forth / against the applicant. If a (non-active) individual is swayed by said arguments to either said, then surely their opinion would be meaningful as well?

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@elmon#19940 Is it possible to be banned from the forum and not be suspended? If so I don't really see the difference.

Theoretically, yes, but I don't think that has ever happened. The forum and the Discord server are treated very differently. I've seen someone say before that if you think about it, it is pretty ridiculous that it would ever be necessary to mute a fellow staff member in Discord and still say that they are suitable to be staff.

↩  elmon Does the Senior voting round involve actual voting, or just comments?

↩  elmon

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Jwmphall isn't an MB anymore. This whole clause of who gets to vote is created in order to filter between people, to avoid someone who hasn't been on the server in 3 years coming back and voting when they have no idea what they are voting on. I find a whitelist of who can vote to be better than making a list of who can't.

The MB is included because as an MB you are considered active to some degree within the community, with master builders having their own activity policy. Basically, if you hold an active role in the server I consider that as having enough involvement to be allowed to vote.

Nothing is stopping "Non-active" individuals from posting on the thread with their opinion, that clause only says that their individual vote won't be counted

You didn't answer me. If the application is not meant for discussion, but merely voting, then why even have the ability to converse? Regardless of my activity, I should be (by the current system) able to form an opinion on the applicant based on the evidence put forth against / for him.

↩  Miwojedk While true, when talking about applications especially, the only evidence really given is against the applicant. There's not enough evidence for both sides usually and I don't think I've ever seen players providing the same level of evidence (chat logs, screenshots etc) in favour of the applicant than they would against.

Of course, you can say the vouch or rec of a trusted community member is evidence alone, but I still think there's nothing like being on the server and interacting with a person at least occasionally.