/seen

@Miasmus#19864 It shouldn't tell you what server the admin may or may not be on. And it's not hard to work out that there are more players on the network than what list shows anyway.

The usefulness of /seen to a griefer is basically nil. They would need to /seen every admin to know if any admins were in vanish and that would be rather suspicious looking in cmdspy.

@Miasmus#19871 suspect it's a legacy thing. Really does need its own thread.

@Windows#19870 That is not true. You can just use /seen every time an admin leaves to check if they went into vanish. The probability that there are admins online who were already vanished when you joined becomes smaller the longer you stay online.

Messaging the online admin also bypasses /vanish as well. A certain op got rather annoying with this by messaging me every time I went into vanish to do my stuff yesterday.

That being said I don't entirely think this is a huge priority. The only real time vanish leaving is effective from what I've seen anyway is when you're the only staff member online, which happens sparingly, and most people are unaware of how to bypass.

A possible yet complicated workaround is to vanish, then leave silently for a few moments to wait on the /seen in telnet before returning silently to do whatever you need to do, if the OP you're trying to spectate is aware of the "exploit"

@StevenNL2000#19930 That's a good point, I did not think about that.

I personally never used vanish anyways. Usually just gmsp was enough to catch trolls and griefers as most of them do not seem to put much effort into not getting caught.

So I'm not going to block or otherwise change this, I appreciate it can sort of be used to bypass vanish, but all it does is tell you if they're somewhere on the network, which isn't a huge secret anyway.

For example:

I was in Hub-02, the user I ran /seen on was on Freedom-01, I have no way to know for sure if they are on my server or another server, just that they are somewhere on the network as a whole.